#occhat Transcript – Focus on Models – PEO/PEOP – 2nd July 2013

Thank you @Gerbil10 for facilitating last night’s #occhat on the PEO/PEOP Models – the first in our models series.

Unfortunately, GrabChat’s having some technical problems that’s limiting our ability to post full transcripts of the chats. So we’ve used the transcript captured by Symplur instead:

Helen_otuk
Good evening all ready and waiting for this evenings #Occhat

OTalk_Occhat
#occhat After finally remembering the login details.. @clissa89 here on the @OTalk_Occhat account tonight. Tweet if you get stuck 🙂

Helen_otuk
@gerbil10 Hi Rachel, looking forward to this evenings #Occhat on PEO/PEOP models! Yay.

gerbil10
@clissa89 looking forward to modelling tonight on #occhat

cskies
Ciao for Now Tweeties, gotta run. Be back in a shortly. Lol xx =) Bummer I will miss #Occhat. Enjoy!#occupationaltherapy #OTuesday

clissa89
@OTtwehytweets great idea – relaxing with a cuppa 🙂 thanks for joining us on a hectic day! #Occhat#OTuesday

clissa89
@cskies aww what a shame, hope your day goes well #Occhat #occupationaltherapy #OTuesday

GillyGorry
@clissa89 me 🙂 #occhat

OTalk_Occhat
Just a quick reminder (as always) that @The_HCPC guidelines apply online too – link if you need further info http://t.co/IVXp4foQfX #occhat

BillWongOT
I am here. #occhat

OTtwehytweets
@clissa89 #Occhat/Otalk have become part of my Tuesday evenings for the past 6 weeks & I rushed home to be on time 🙂

OTalk_Occhat
@billwongot hi Bill, glad to have you here tonight 🙂 #occhat

eileenhegarty7
Good evening from a cold and windswept southwest Ireland #occhat

BillWongOT
@OTalk_Occhat yes… cherishing possibility my last few times with you guys. New job possibly awaits me.#occhat

kilner100
@OTalk_Occhat @gerbil10 listening in live on my first #occhat

OTalk_Occhat
@kilner100 glad to have you here tonight 🙂 please feel free to jump in if you have anything to add!#occhat

OTtwehytweets
@clissa89 @gerbil10 yes I have used the general concept of PEO on student placements but never really in depth #occhat

OTalk_Occhat
#occhat Some resources for those not familiar with PEO/PEOP models available on our blog:http://t.co/NfjZwlyFtG

CeeCeeGeeOT
#Occhat as well 🙂

OTtwehytweets
RT @OTalk_Occhat#occhat Some resources for those not familiar with PEO/PEOP models available on our blog: http://t.co/NfjZwlyFtG

OTalk_Occhat
#occhat @gerbil10 has also posted a couple prezis on the models: http://t.co/sUXc5toHL5 andhttp://t.co/4M0IgANUjQ

gerbil10
#occhat I think the models are simple to understand because you are considering the person, environment and occupation. The complexity is…

OTalk_Occhat
@maggie_c2 thanks for joining us tonight 🙂 glad you found the prezis useful – thought @gerbil10 did a great job with the blog post! #occhat

kilner100
@OTtwehytweets very useful to have PEO in back on mind on recent role emerging placement #occhat

gerbil10
Thank you@gerbil10 did a great job with the blog post! #occhat

BillWongOT
@clissa89 @OTtwehytweets @gerbil10 O is self explanatory… since the occupation is to be a competent occupational therapist. #occhat

GillyGorry
@gerbil10 it is a pilot and no model in there at the mo! so starting from scratch! #occhat

OTtwehytweets
@clissa89 @BillWongOT @gerbil10 forgot the #occhat sorry!!

GillyGorry
@eileenhegarty7 @gerbil10 thats good..I am the only health professional.. but I need non health profs to use whatever I put in.. #occhat

GillyGorry
RT @OTalk_Occhat#occhat Some resources for those not familiar with PEO/PEOP models available on our blog: http://t.co/NfjZwlyFtG

Wardmans
Dutch research told me PEO is more of a guide line instead of a model. That is how I use it. #occhat

clissa89
@DoBeDoBeDo14 what good timing for an #occhat series on models 🙂 hope you wlil find them useful & help apply to practice

Helen_otuk
@GillyGorry thinking PEO PEOP could be a good fit. Fits well in social care environments. #Occhat

OTtwehytweets
@kilner100 yes I agree 🙂 but I need to research it a bit more I think to get the models full use #Occhat

GillyGorry
@Helen_otuk yes… just thinking that.. #braincogsareturning… #occhat

francescaabrown
For my placement with social services, our initial assessments were based on the PEOP model #occhat

OTtwehytweets
@gerbil10 @clissa89 @BillWongOT I have never used the PEOP model is it much different than the PEO#Occhat #noviceOT

OTalk_Occhat
@francescaabrown can you tell us a bit more about how the assessment was informed by the model? what did it look like? #occhat

GillyGorry
@OTalk_Occhat hmmm almost looks like Kawa.. cross sections and longitudinal #occhat#dontforgetaboutthehashtag

CarmenNQ_OT
@francescaabrown we also used it within A&E for a bit more structure in a busy unpredictable environment#occhat

ColourHealth
listening in … #occhat

kilner100
@OTtwehytweets @gerbil10 @clissa89 @BillWongOT from memory all come from the same place but developed by different people #occhat

OTalk_Occhat
@ColourHealth thanks for joining us tonight 🙂 feel free to join in if you feel brave enough #occhat

GillyGorry
@gerbil10 @eileenhegarty7 hmmm… need to do me some peo peop research #occhat

eileenhegarty7
@OTtwehytweets @clissa89 @gerbil10 @BillWongOT Must admit that I struggle to understand the performance section of PEOP. #occhat

francescaabrown
At the centre was the person + then their occupations (self-care, productivity, leisure) + then environment (+ how this (1/2) #occhat

Helen_otuk
RT @francescaabrown: Found it (PEO) a useful tool in social services to help ensure client-centered practice #occhat

francescaabrown
Impacted on their performance. It was helpful in ensuring holistic practice too #occhat

gerbil10
@clissa89 @OTtwehytweets @BillWongOT hope my explanation helped. They both have features I like#occhat

OTtwehytweets
@clissa89 @gerbil10 @BillWongOT will definitely b using this #occhat 2set a new goal 2research & read links on blog just did not have time

clissa89
@gerbil10 @OTtwehytweets @BillWongOT yes they were helpful thanks – need to revisit as didnt have time to read properly today #occhat

gerbil10
@clissa89 @OTtwehytweets @BillWongOT I like PEO because I think it demonstrates the transaction between the P E and O #Occhat

Helen_otuk
@CarmenNQ_OT @francescaabrown that sounds great, would love to hear more! #Occhat

francescaabrown
*as it prompted the OT to consider every aspect of the person, + considered leisure occupations as well as self-care/productivity#occhat

OTtwehytweets
@gerbil10 @clissa89 yes I agree When I did use it on my paeds clients it definitely demonstrated the relationship with the P. E & O #Occhat

gerbil10
#occhat second question of the night. What are the challenges for the OT in analysing the transaction between the P E O?

maggie_c2
@OTalk_Occhat in terms of 2nd blog question-challenge of resources exp opportunity to assess in different environments vs. jst clinic#occhat

CarmenNQ_OT
@clissa89 @sophiewearing i find it clear and easy to work with throughout my degree. ensure holistic care + good for presentations #occhat

OTtwehytweets
@gerbil10 @clissa89 @eileenhegarty7 must make more time to read references just did not have time to go through before 2nights #Occhat

clissa89
@maggie_c2 I can relate – due to time pressures/rural location etc I only really see people on the ward – not their environment #occhat

GillyGorry
@clissa89 @BoothRach um.. what is #otchat lol #occhat

vivienhampleXM1
RT @OTalk_Occhat#occhat After finally remembering the login details.. @clissa89 here on the@OTalk_Occhat account tonight. Tweet if you g…

sophiewearing
@clissa89 A problem we found, is that we wanted definitive outcome measurability (economic climate)-which COPM&others can provide #Occhat

BillWongOT
@OTtwehytweets @gerbil10 @clissa89 One thing that would be helpful- try to analyze people around you.#occhat

clissa89
@sophiewearing would you mind tweeting again with the #occhat hashtag so everyone can see your tweet?

eileenhegarty7
@gerbil10 Can be a challenge to choose long-term option when resources are tight 2/2 #occhat

sophiewearing
@CarmenNQ_OT @clissa89 Agree,students especially find it useful, it is a very “approachable” model.#Occhat

OTtwehytweets
RT @Helen_otuk@gerbil10 challenge = weighting the importance / meaning for the individual of the P E or O #Occhat

BillWongOT
@gerbil10 @OTtwehytweets @clissa89 @eileenhegarty7 Same goes w/ my OTD in US. Leave door open for teaching later. #occhat

eileenhegarty7
@kilner100 I find that much easier to conceptualise and to see that changing over time #occhat

francescaabrown
@sophiewearing asa student on my first placement it was a great introduction in to using models but I agree that it lacked the depth #Occhat

sophiewearing
@francescaabrown Towards a different model for outcome measures or outcome measures generally?#Occhat

BoothRach
@BoothRach@clissa89 good question, has other models developed further? Did it go out of fashion like the use of activities? #Occhat

OTtwehytweets
@gerbil10 @clissa89 and when I say I learned I was asked to pick a model to guide my intervention & used PEO so researched myself #Occhat

Sasa_Radic
I can completly understand importance of E as coming from country in which CBR and acess to P life is restricted in a way #Occhat

clissa89
@sophiewearing think when I saw the picture as a student I thought “yup, got that” and didnt look further#confessions #Occhat

sophiewearing
@clissa89 But I see that as a good thing!Why should we struggle with ones that dont neccesarily click with our own learning/setting? #Occhat

OTtwehytweets
@gerbil10 @clissa89 I wud have preferred 2 have had guidance on appropriate references 2guide my practice #Occhat

gerbil10
1/2 #occhat @eileenhegarty7 what I like about these models is that E includes the local policies and criteria that impacts on intervention

sophiewearing
@clissa89 Having said that,sometimes a new model brings up interesting points never thought of in that setting #Occhat

Sasa_Radic
@clissa89 #occhat CBR =community based rehabilitation

clissa89
@Sasa_Radic thanks for clarifying 🙂 #occhat

OTtwehytweets
RT @sophiewearing@clissa89 Having said that,sometimes a new model brings up interesting points never thought of in that setting #Occhat

sophiewearing
@francescaabrown Well in our ALS@work we have explored a few& I know we were looking at #COPM and another…cant remember which tho! #Occhat

eileenhegarty7
@gerbil10 Yes, considering policy builds in an advocacy and leadership role for #occupationaltherapy#occhat

gerbil10
RT @eileenhegarty7@gerbil10 Yes, considering policy builds in an advocacy and leadership role for#occupationaltherapy #occhat

sophiewearing
@Helen_otuk @francescaabrown models have gaps though, there are few that really do cover everything for your setting #Occhat

BillWongOT
@clissa89 E is really important. Learned it the hard way in the placement that I flunked. #occhat

gerbil10
@clissa89 the thing I love about the transactional analysis of P E O is that it is often hard to know which is influence which #occhat

BillWongOT
@clissa89 I know from my personal experience, E can be a crucial factor for me to succeed in occupations or not. #occhat

BillWongOT
@clissa89 just take #otalk and #occhat for example- you guys are friendly. Hence, I can do the occupation of contributing well. 🙂 #occhat

Sasa_Radic
@sophiewearing what models do you think cover most areas? @Helen_otuk @francescaabrown #Occhat

Helen_otuk
@maggie_c2 @clissa89 but helpful to put the individual and support at the heart of what we do? #Occhat

GillyGorry
RT @Sasa_Radic@sophiewearing what models do you think cover most areas? @Helen_otuk@francescaabrown #Occhat

gerbil10
Last question for #occhat. Regarding E what social and economic policies influence the interventions you provide.

BillWongOT
@kilner100 @gerbil10 @eileenhegarty7 another 1 I think about is accessibility w/ “E”. E can be a barrier for some1 in participation. #occhat

OTtwehytweets
@kilner100 @gerbil10 @eileenhegarty7 “e” was one of the most important on community paeds placement. School/home environment #Occhat

Sasa_Radic
Thing whith the E is that you can do you best with P and O but if E is not facilitating there is no long term progress #Occhat

gerbil10
@BillWongOT @kilner100 @eileenhegarty7 so true #occhat

CarmenNQ_OT
@clissa89 its amazing how different OT programmes are just within the UK let alone worldwide!! #occhat

sophiewearing
@Sasa_Radic @Helen_otuk @francescaabrown That depends on lots of aspects&factors!In my opinion,depends on setting/client group/needs #Occhat

OTtwehytweets
@francescaabrown @Helen_otuk I totally agree much focus is entirely on MOHO & COPM #Occhat with other models “just about” mentioned

francescaabrown
At uni, PEO models are rarely discussed. There is a big emphasis on MOHO + COPM which I think can lessen the value #occhat

OTtwehytweets
@francescaabrown @Helen_otuk I guess this is where our self directed learning must come in #Occhat

Sasa_Radic
RT @OTtwehytweets@francescaabrown @Helen_otuk I totally agree much focus is entirely on MOHO & COPM #Occhat with other models “just about…

Sasa_Radic
@francescaabrown @Helen_otuk and KAWA if specific OT community has had an course on it #Occhat

kilner100
@gerbil10 last placement in a school setting, local school policy but changes in national sen policy key influences #occhat

eileenhegarty7
@BillWongOT @gerbil10 E can provide lots of resources such as social, community and peer groups#occhat

Trio33
Hello everyone just saying hi and lurking for a while 😉 #occhat

clissa89
@Trio33 glad to have you here 🙂 #occhat

Wardmans
@OTalk_Occhat true! I consider a model something you can do wrong and a guideline something you just do. #Occhat

gerbil10
@gerbil10 for me the PEO and PEOP provide me with away of incorporating these two hats into one#Occhat

OTtwehytweets
@OTalk_Occhat my take away message is to make the time to read through @gerbil10 references in blog & set more goals to research:) #Occhat

Sasa_Radic
@OTalk_Occhat That maybe we would need to have more #Occhat about models and their aplications in practice

clissa89
(As a side note, on the theme of copy cat, I just have to share this picture http://t.co/Tu0WtfrHVl via@mmolineux#occhat

gerbil10
@OTalk_Occhat how fast 60 minutes can go and the challenge of keeping up the conversation during#Occhat

eileenhegarty7
@clissa89 I look forward to that #occhat

BillWongOT
@clissa89 @eileenhegarty7 should invite @michael_iwama as the host for this. 🙂 #occhat

GillyGorry
Next week @MrDarrenGormley will be hosting #otalk on professional boundaries #occhat

Sasa_Radic
@clissa89 @gerbil10 Thank you also will research more #Occhat

BoothRach
So sorry #Luther is about to start on BBC1 need to watch it, but will catch up on #Occhat later

BillWongOT
@OTalk_Occhat PEO model is embedded in our practice, whether we know it or not. 1/2 #occhat

gerbil10
Thank you everyone #occhat. What an experience. Please feel free to contact me through my blog and hope it has provided an insight into PEO

Sasa_Radic
RT @BillWongOT@OTalk_Occhat PEO model is embedded in our practice, whether we know it or not. 1/2 #occhat

kilner100
RT @Sasa_Radic@OTalk_Occhat That maybe we would need to have more #Occhat about models and their aplications in practice

gerbil10
@clissa89 thank you it has been a really valuable experience. #Occhat

GillyGorry
RT @OTtwehytweets@francescaabrown @Helen_otuk I guess this is where our self directed learning must come in #Occhat

MrDarrenGormley
RT @GillyGorry: Next week @MrDarrenGormley will be hosting #otalk on professional boundaries #occhat

maggie_c2
@OTalk_Occhat continuing 2 try & ensure practice reflects models ensures both occupation focus & holistic approach;always more to do #occhat

Sasa_Radic
RT @clissa89@gerbil10 have you got a link to your blog handy? #occhat

kilner100
RT @BillWongOT@OTalk_Occhat PEO model is embedded in our practice, whether we know it or not. 1/2 #occhat

gerbil10
@clissa89 my blog address is http://t.co/opl4oAFtWE It will give me the motivation to keep it more up to date. #occhat

maggie_c2
@Helen_otuk @clissa89 Definitely -also highlights not just physical environment but social element too;thinking more preventative 2 #occhat

francescaabrown
RT @BillWongOT@OTalk_Occhat PEO model is embedded in our practice, whether we know it or not. 1/2 #occhat

Helen_otuk
#Occhat thanks to @gerbil10 great topic! I think we have a new convert, so thanks for such a great debate one and all.

clissa89
Thanks to everyone who participated in #occhat tonight 🙂 & if you fancy hosting a chat/suggesting a topic, let the @OTalk_Occhat team know!

OTtwehytweets
RT @clissa89: Thanks to everyone who participated in #occhat tonight 🙂 & if you fancy hosting a chat/suggesting a topic, let the @OTalk_Oc

maggie_c2
@OTalk_Occhat @clissa89 – sorry forgot the tag! Really liked the two presentations in the blog; good summaries #occhat

OTtwehytweets
RT @gerbil10@clissa89 my blog address is http://t.co/opl4oAFtWE It will give me the motivation to keep it more up to date. #occhat

Keeper85
#occhat ooo what was the topic today??

clissa89
@kilner100 @eileenhegarty7 impressive multitasking 🙂 #occupationalBalance #occhat

clissa89
@Keeper85 we discussed the PEO/PEOP models tonight. have you used them? #occhat

Sasa_Radic
RT @clissa89@Keeper85 we discussed the PEO/PEOP models tonight. have you used them? #occhat

KirkwoodMaureen
@GillyGorry: Next week @MrDarrenGormley will be hosting #otalk on professional boundaries #occhat

OTsinlondon
Short story, long cycle. #lost in spite of google maps. No battery so no #Occhat 😦 will catch up tomorrow.

OTalk_Occhat
Had a great response from the #OTalk #Occhat community about a journal club so far, keep your thoughts coming. http://t.co/FbJxY70xZd

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#Occhat 25th March 2013 – Occupational Evaluation/Outcome Measures – Grabchat

Once again a huge thank you to Michelle Perryman for hosting the final talk in the OT Process series.

Michelle shared some great links on the blog before the chat which you can find here.

Please find the grabchat below and the Healthcare hashtag PDF summary on this link:

Involved …

@Symbolic_Life @Keeper85 @BillWongOT @cgenter @kirstyes @OTalk_Occhat @DrWMB @Helen_otuk @TherapistOT @clissa89 @OTthoughts @Wardmans @RebeccaTwinley @danielleb_90 @DebbiiHarrison @GemSLT @claireOT @EmmJacq @AnnabelFenn @Lisa_D_OT @Trio33 @BPDFFS @pd2ot @Sunnysdais @BAOTCOT @rootsvoices @Lara_Stanley @TalkingMats

Top resources …

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Related tags …

#otalk #ff #otuesday #commissioning #thanksguys

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@Helen_otuk Off to work, looking forward to tonight 8pm. #occhat for #OTuesday . Last in our OT Process series. http://t.co/Szc190tfma (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 08:12:25 +0000)
@BAOTCOT It’s an #occhat week – follow the hashtag from 8pm tonight for a conversation on occupational evaluation/outcome measures…(Tue, 26 Mar 2013 14:14:00 +0000)
@Sunnysdais RT @BAOTCOT : It’s an #occhat week – follow the hashtag from 8pm tonight for a conversation on occupational evaluation/outcome measures…(Tue, 26 Mar 2013 14:27:09 +0000)
@clissa89 RT @Helen_otuk : Off to work, looking forward to tonight 8pm. #occhat for #OTuesday . Last in our OT Process series. http://t.co/Szc190tfma (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 18:06:10 +0000)
@OTalk_Occhat One hour until #occhat on Occupational Evaluation/Outcome Measures. See you then @kirstyes on the account tonight. @Symbolic_Life hosting.(Tue, 26 Mar 2013 18:57:19 +0000)
@OTalk_Occhat Abigail hello to all our new followers, hope to see you at #occhat tonight. Don’t forget the hashtag on your tweets.(Tue, 26 Mar 2013 18:59:41 +0000)
@Symbolic_Life RT @BAOTCOT : It’s an #occhat week – follow the hashtag from 8pm tonight for a conversation on occupational evaluation/outcome measures…(Tue, 26 Mar 2013 19:28:26 +0000)
@Symbolic_Life Looking forward to #occhat (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 19:33:26 +0000)
@Symbolic_Life Hi #occhat How is everyone this fine night?(Tue, 26 Mar 2013 19:56:48 +0000)
@OTalk_Occhat Hi all, who’s here and raring to #occhat ?
Just a reminder professional standards apply online @The_HCPC guidance – http://t.co/it13UJ2dLd (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 19:59:26 +0000)
@OTalk_Occhat If anyone needs support tweet me here and I’ll do my best to help.
Main rule is remember the hashtag #occhat (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 19:59:58 +0000)
@OTalk_Occhat Thanks to @Symbolic_Life who agreed to host tonight’s chat. Check out the blog post/resources for tonight. #occhat http://t.co/iUT5jPs6vo (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:01:47 +0000)
@BillWongOT @OTalk_Occhat Good afternoon from Los Angeles! #occhat (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:02:03 +0000)
@Symbolic_Life Hi all shall we kick of with ‘ Do you think as a profession we need outcome measures?’ #occhat (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:03:38 +0000)
@Symbolic_Life RT @OTalk_Occhat : Hi all, who’s here and raring to #occhat ?
Just a reminder professional standards apply online @The_HCPC guidance – http://t.co/it13UJ2dLd (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:04:00 +0000)
@clissa89 RT @Symbolic_Life : Hi all shall we kick of with ‘ Do you think as a profession we need outcome measures?’ #occhat (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:04:26 +0000)
@OTalk_Occhat RT @Symbolic_Life : Hi all shall we kick of with ‘ Do you think as a profession we need outcome measures?’ #occhat (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:04:34 +0000)
@BillWongOT @Symbolic_Life If it’s for evidence based purposes, the answer is yes in my book. #occhat (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:04:51 +0000)
@Keeper85 @Symbolic_Life yes lol how else do we know if what we do is actually being effective? #occhat (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:05:02 +0000)
@DebbiiHarrison @OTalk_Occhat @symbolic_life Good evening fellow OTs I’ll be following #occhat tonight but will prob be sitting quietly in the corner(Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:05:41 +0000)
@Keeper85 @Symbolic_Life it’s 6am! Lol #occhat (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:05:44 +0000)
@Symbolic_Life @BillWongOT what about for practical purposes? proving the worth of the profession? #occhat (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:06:00 +0000)
@clissa89 Hi everyone, sorry I won’t be joining #occhat tonight but I need some restoration to balance my day(Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:06:13 +0000)
@Symbolic_Life @Keeper85 My thoughts exactly #occhat (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:06:26 +0000)
@Symbolic_Life RT @Keeper85 : @Symbolic_Life yes lol how else do we know if what we do is actually being effective? #occhat (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:06:31 +0000)
@BillWongOT @Symbolic_Life we still do in some instances because we’ve to at least prove that we are as good, if not better than alternatives. #occhat (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:07:48 +0000)
@Keeper85 @Symbolic_Life if we don’t know how we’re going we then can’t review and improve our practice. OM are Objective reflections lol #occhat (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:07:48 +0000)
@cgenter #occhat maybe another question is what constituents useful outcome measures? i.e. client satisfaction, their performance or something else?(Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:09:03 +0000)
@kirstyes @Symbolic_Life I think that we need them for clients too. #occhat To help them see the changes (sometimes they may struggle to do this)(Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:09:13 +0000)
@Symbolic_Life @Keeper85 So do u think our outcome measures improve our individual skills as well as the profession’s acknowledgment of practice? #occhat (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:09:40 +0000)
@Keeper85 @BillWongOT @Symbolic_Life formal/informal it doesn’t matter but we need to complete that feedback loop for our interventions #occhat (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:09:47 +0000)
@cgenter #occhat oops meant constitutes not constituents!(Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:09:53 +0000)
@OTalk_Occhat ? @Symbolic_Life : 2. So why are Outcome Measures important?? #occhat (Don’t forget the hashtag tweeps)(Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:10:08 +0000)
@Symbolic_Life RT @cgenter : #occhat maybe another question is what constituents useful outcome measures? i.e. client satisfaction, their performance or something else?(Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:10:21 +0000)
@OTalk_Occhat RT @cgenter : #occhat maybe another question is what constituents useful outcome measures? i.e. client satisfaction, their performance or something else?(Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:10:38 +0000)
@BillWongOT @cgenter quality of life, FIM scores, etc. #occhat (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:10:51 +0000)
@cgenter #occhat OM important as part of intervention, demonstrating client progress to them?(Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:10:56 +0000)
@Keeper85 @Symbolic_Life I don’t think OMs on their own do anything but a clinician willing to change/improve based on feedback will do lots #occhat (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:11:07 +0000)
@BillWongOT @OTalk_Occhat @Symbolic_Life For some instances, clients & caregivers can see progress. #occhat (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:11:23 +0000)
@kirstyes @cgenter good question Chris. Good to see you. What about if we can prove reduced length of stay. Not occupational but??? #occhat (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:11:52 +0000)
@Symbolic_Life @Keeper85 @BillWongOT what about the clients perspective as @kirstyes suggested? #occhat (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:11:54 +0000)
@cgenter @BillWongOT #occhat yes lots of different ways, I think could be summed up by Doble and Caron Santha idea of occupational well-being?(Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:11:54 +0000)
@BillWongOT @OTalk_Occhat @Symbolic_Life and more importantly, we need that to show this to get reimbursed. #occhat (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:12:17 +0000)
@Keeper85 @Symbolic_Life @BillWongOT @kirstyes the most important We can see All the progress in the world…useless unless the ct sees it too #occhat (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:13:12 +0000)
@Symbolic_Life @BillWongOT @OTalk_Occhat Do u think this supports your practice bill? #occhat (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:13:12 +0000)
@cgenter @kirstyes #occhat thanks, nice to find time to be back. that would be popular in UK health service, would depend if it was client goal too?(Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:13:29 +0000)
@BillWongOT @Symbolic_Life @cgenter FIM = functional independence measure. It’s a quantitative measure of independence. #occhat (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:13:54 +0000)
@rootsvoices @Symbolic_Life outcome measures can’t be meaningfully applied to human experience – if research necessary it needs to be qualitative #occhat (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:13:56 +0000)
@OTalk_Occhat @EmmJacq great to have you here. If you do join in, want to ask a question etc don’t forget the #occhat so people who don’t follow u can see(Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:14:02 +0000)
@Keeper85 @Symbolic_Life @kirstyes I tend to use outcomes that are done with the client so they can see and an objective one as well #occhat (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:14:32 +0000)
@DebbiiHarrison @Keeper85 @symbolic_life @billwongot @kirstyes agree with this, we need OM to support our profession but must be relevant to client #occhat (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:14:47 +0000)
@Helen_otuk Good evening #occhat , just catching up.(Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:14:51 +0000)
@cgenter @rootsvoices #occhat wholeheartedly agree with that, think OM can be bit more interesting to management than anyone else?(Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:15:08 +0000)
@BillWongOT @Symbolic_Life @OTalk_Occhat good question- it does cuz clients & families can see small & big changes functionally usually. #occhat (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:15:18 +0000)
@Symbolic_Life @Keeper85 @BillWongOT @kirstyes So are you suggesting unless the client recognizes this change to it isnt benefical? #occhat (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:15:28 +0000)
@EmmJacq @OTalk_Occhat Oops! yes, will remember the #occhat , thanks(Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:15:38 +0000)
@Keeper85 @cgenter @rootsvoices not if its done right 🙂 it’s about self improvement too #occhat (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:16:13 +0000)
@Symbolic_Life Question 3. What outcome measures do you use with your clients And why? #occhat (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:17:04 +0000)
@Keeper85 @Symbolic_Life @BillWongOT @kirstyes horses for courses. I use multiple outcome measures for different purposes 1 for ct, 1 for mgt #occhat (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:17:23 +0000)
@Symbolic_Life @cgenter @rootsvoices Why do you think this Chris? #occhat (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:17:37 +0000)
@cgenter @Keeper85 #occhat I suppose a concern could be what are outcome measures used for then? whose agenda is setting them?(Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:17:42 +0000)
@BillWongOT @Symbolic_Life back in the day, I was given the COPM. Now no outcome measures… #strange #occhat (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:18:14 +0000)
@BillWongOT @Keeper85 @Symbolic_Life @kirstyes and same with peds assessments, too. Dependent on age & area(s) 2 b assessed, for ex. #occhat (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:19:01 +0000)
@Keeper85 @Symbolic_Life I use a lot of solution focused practice with clients where they use progress to preferred future as an OM #occhat (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:19:02 +0000)
@cgenter @Symbolic_Life #occhat as previous answer, about what the agenda for having outcome measures, and whether they are suitable?(Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:19:06 +0000)
@DrWMB #occhat hello just joining: intrigued by impact of adding “measures” to outcomes – does it force particular ways of thinking?(Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:19:13 +0000)
@Keeper85 @Symbolic_Life I use AusTOMs for my own clinical effectiveness #occhat (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:19:48 +0000)
@Symbolic_Life @Keeper85 Intresting.. How do u think this associates with our philosophy? #occhat (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:20:17 +0000)
@Keeper85 @Symbolic_Life and my organisation uses the HONOS for mgt facts and figures #occhat (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:20:18 +0000)
@cgenter #occhat idea of measure suggests pass/fail, that there is a standard to be achieved in some instances?(Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:21:01 +0000)
@OTalk_Occhat RT @Symbolic_Life : Question 3. What outcome measures do you use with your clients And why? #occhat (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:21:24 +0000)
@Symbolic_Life @cgenter I agree? Some services assume they are for ex doin a MOHOST with every client.does this directly link to client need? #occhat (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:21:29 +0000)
@Symbolic_Life RT @DrWMB : #occhat hello just joining: intrigued by impact of adding “measures” to outcomes – does it force particular ways of thinking?(Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:21:45 +0000)
@Keeper85 @Symbolic_Life strengths based, client focused, client driven, empowering them with choice and responsibility. #occhat (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:21:58 +0000)
@Symbolic_Life @Keeper85 Does this allow service measurement? #occhat (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:22:10 +0000)
@Keeper85 RT @rootsvoices : @Keeper85 example of quantitative outcome measure ‘done right’ ?? #occhat (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:22:24 +0000)
@BillWongOT @cgenter or in peds assessment, where the child is functionally in the areas assessed relative to peers. #occhat (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:22:28 +0000)
@cgenter #occhat perhaps depends who decides what are the significant outcomes? maybe need compromise between service and client expectations?(Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:22:46 +0000)
@Helen_otuk In my adaptations work we have 2 pronged view. Client’s perspective then we also have to do the financial impact for the ‘man stats’ #occhat (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:22:50 +0000)
@DrWMB @cgenter @symbolic_life #occhat as an audiology service user I’m pleased if my hearing tests don’t get worse but that’s not the whole story(Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:23:38 +0000)
@Keeper85 @Symbolic_Life the HONOS is used for that service wide yea #occhat (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:23:50 +0000)
@BillWongOT @cgenter I think for certain measures, you have to look at research studies. #occhat (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:24:02 +0000)
@OTalk_Occhat RT @DrWMB : #occhat hello just joining: intrigued by impact of adding “measures” to outcomes – does it force particular ways of thinking?(Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:24:18 +0000)
@cgenter @Symbolic_Life #occhat funny my last post had MoHOST for each client as a baseline, although this fed into MDT use of recovery star(Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:24:23 +0000)
@Symbolic_Life RT @Keeper85 : RT @rootsvoices : @Keeper85 example of quantitative outcome measure ‘done right’ ?? #occhat (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:24:31 +0000)
@Symbolic_Life RT @cgenter : #occhat perhaps depends who decides what are the significant outcomes? maybe need compromise between service and client expectations?(Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:24:44 +0000)
@cgenter @BillWongOT #occhat true, looking at reliability, validity etc can help with decision making about appropriateness of OM(Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:25:34 +0000)
@Symbolic_Life @cgenter Intresting, Are u based in MH? How did u find the recovery star? #occhat (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:25:50 +0000)
@Symbolic_Life RT @cgenter : @BillWongOT #occhat true, looking at reliability, validity etc can help with decision making about appropriateness of OM(Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:26:08 +0000)
@BillWongOT RT @cgenter : @BillWongOT #occhat true, looking at reliability, validity etc can help with decision making about appropriateness of OM(Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:26:24 +0000)
@kirstyes @cgenter links to purpose of outcome measurements #occhat for client or for profession/service. As others have said prob need both.(Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:26:35 +0000)
@Keeper85 #occhat I guess my main thing is that u don’t restrict urself to just 1 OM! Use ones appropriate to client, setting and measurement wanted(Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:26:37 +0000)
@kirstyes @cgenter Wonder which ones need to be occupational though? #occhat (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:26:50 +0000)
@Helen_otuk RT @Helen_otuk : When utilising reablement services we/they use GAS for client outcomes. #occhat (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:27:06 +0000)
@DrWMB @Helen_otuk : ??’man stats’ what are they? #occhat (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:27:23 +0000)
@kirstyes ? @Helen_otuk : When utilising reablement services we/they use GAS for client outcomes.? #occhat (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:27:24 +0000)
@Symbolic_Life RT @Keeper85 : #occhat I guess my main thing is that u don’t restrict urself to just 1 OM! Use ones appropriate to client, setting and measurement wanted(Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:27:30 +0000)
@cgenter @Symbolic_Life #occhat yes I was, for some reason it never really got off the ground, although I liked how it covered wide range of areas(Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:27:35 +0000)
@Symbolic_Life @Keeper85 How do u propose selection? #occhat (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:27:49 +0000)
@Helen_otuk @DrWMB management stats sorry, limitation of 140! #occhat (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:27:54 +0000)
@Symbolic_Life RT @kirstyes : @cgenter Wonder which ones need to be occupational though? #occhat (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:28:07 +0000)
@BillWongOT RT @Keeper85 : #occhat I guess my main thing is that u don’t restrict urself to just 1 OM! Use ones appropriate to client, setting and measurement wanted(Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:28:16 +0000)
@kirstyes @DrWMB #occhat So do you mean adding numbers? Are qualitative measures also accepted? By who?(Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:28:28 +0000)
@Symbolic_Life 4.How do your outcome measures link to occ?Do they measure performance,engagement,satisfaction or something else? #occhat (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:28:54 +0000)
@cgenter @kirstyes #occhat I’ve never applied it, but wondered about the idea of occupational well-being as an outcome? http://t.co/KJyWF0Z166 (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:29:45 +0000)
@DrWMB @cgenter @symbolic_life #occhat recovery star seems to be used a lot in MH. I encourage students to to compare it to COPM(Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:30:04 +0000)
@Symbolic_Life @kirstyes @DrWMB What type of measure? #occhat (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:30:25 +0000)
@OTalk_Occhat RT @Symbolic_Life : 4.How do your outcome measures link to occ?Do they measure performance,engagement,satisfaction or something else? #occhat (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:30:33 +0000)
@OTalk_Occhat RT @cgenter : @kirstyes #occhat I’ve never applied it, but wondered about the idea of occupational well-being as an outcome? http://t.co/KJyWF0Z166 (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:30:57 +0000)
@BillWongOT @Symbolic_Life Dependence on the measure… IMO. #occhat (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:31:05 +0000)
@DrWMB @Helen_otuk #occhat thanks, glad to clear that one up!(Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:31:15 +0000)
@BillWongOT @Symbolic_Life But I think it’s important with client-centered and/or family-centered goals in mind #occhat (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:31:39 +0000)
@kirstyes @Symbolic_Life @drwmb as in people saying life is better for me or some such #occhat (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:31:44 +0000)
@cgenter @Symbolic_Life #occhat in past mine was related to performance, but perhaps well-being is important?(Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:31:48 +0000)
@Keeper85 @Symbolic_Life that’s up to the clinician to decide really #occhat (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:31:57 +0000)
@Symbolic_Life @DrWMB @cgenter in your opinion which holds higher ranking? What do u think about the applied concepts in the recovery star? #occhat (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:32:20 +0000)
@kirstyes @cgenter Think you wanted to run an #occhat on this ;0)
Need to read but yes think that would be good to explore.(Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:32:32 +0000)
@Symbolic_Life @cgenter Why did it not pick up do you think? #occhat (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:32:36 +0000)
@Keeper85 @Symbolic_Life solution focused looks at a clients progression towards their preferred future #occhat (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:32:47 +0000)
@DrWMB @kirstyes #occhat the act of measuring is essentially counting? Therefore quantitative? Whereas outcomes are not always measurable(Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:33:06 +0000)
@Keeper85 @Symbolic_Life AusTOMs looks at objective improvement in engagement #occhat (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:33:17 +0000)
@Symbolic_Life RT @cgenter : @Symbolic_Life #occhat in past mine was related to performance, but perhaps well-being is important?(Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:33:20 +0000)
@BillWongOT RT @Keeper85 : @Symbolic_Life solution focused looks at a clients progression towards their preferred future #occhat (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:33:34 +0000)
@cgenter @Symbolic_Life #occhat the consultant leading on it moved on, and the momentum wasn’t there to keep it going. New consultant had diff ideas(Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:33:45 +0000)
@Keeper85 @Symbolic_Life informally I look at QoL and satisfaction with service from a clients perspective #occhat (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:34:10 +0000)
@Symbolic_Life @cgenter i agree- esp with the high quality care for all.. However, is this measurable? #occhat (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:34:11 +0000)
@danielleb_90 @Symbolic_Life I use the DASH to review effectiveness of the intervention from first to last appointment #occhat (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:34:38 +0000)
@cgenter @kirstyes #occhat oh yes, it’s on the to-do list!!;)(Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:34:45 +0000)
@Symbolic_Life @Keeper85 Any thoughts what do u think is important for outcome measures? #occhat (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:34:52 +0000)
@DrWMB @kirstyes @symbolic_life #occhat true, ‘life is better’ is good, but I wonder if it’s enough?(Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:35:14 +0000)
@Keeper85 @Symbolic_Life that they fit with the client and the practitioner and give you exactly what info your trying to capture #occhat (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:35:48 +0000)
@Keeper85 @Symbolic_Life OM should be a benefit not a drain on a service/clinician #occhat (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:36:11 +0000)
@OTalk_Occhat RT @DrWMB : @cgenter @symbolic_life #occhat recovery star seems to be used a lot in MH. I encourage students to to compare it to COPM(Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:36:14 +0000)
@Symbolic_Life @DrWMB @kirstyes Is quantitative not measurable in the context of the client choosing the scale number? #occhat they create meaning to scale?(Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:36:14 +0000)
@Symbolic_Life RT @Keeper85 : @Symbolic_Life AusTOMs looks at objective improvement in engagement #occhat (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:36:19 +0000)
@Symbolic_Life RT @danielleb_90 : @Symbolic_Life I use the DASH to review effectiveness of the intervention from first to last appointment #occhat (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:36:40 +0000)
@cgenter @Symbolic_Life #occhat think this suggests some ways http://t.co/KJyWF0Z166, but not standardised. they are still working on it I believe(Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:36:40 +0000)
@Symbolic_Life @danielleb_90 DASH? #occhat (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:36:52 +0000)
@DrWMB @Symbolic_Life #occhat COPM and recovery star have different benefits but it’s good to compare – can help thinking about occupation(Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:37:22 +0000)
@BillWongOT RT @Keeper85 : @Symbolic_Life OM should be a benefit not a drain on a service/clinician #occhat (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:37:24 +0000)
@Symbolic_Life @cgenter I like this concept.. You ever herd of the personal construct theory? #occhat (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:37:50 +0000)
@OTalk_Occhat @danielleb_90 @symbolic_life Yes which DASH, I know of two with this abbreviation ;0) #occhat (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:38:09 +0000)
@cgenter @Richardsblister #occhat good point, not suitable for all settings, maybe focus on priority aspects? list occ needs 1/2(Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:38:32 +0000)
@Helen_otuk @MaycockN GAS = Goal Attainment Scale / Scaling. #occhat (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:38:54 +0000)
@kirstyes @DrWMB @symbolic_life enough for who? #occhat (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:38:56 +0000)
@cgenter @Richardsblister #occhat and then ask the client to identify one the wish to work on during intervention? 2/2(Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:39:07 +0000)
@Symbolic_Life 5.How about the underpinning theory of the OM’S? Are the outcome measures you are choosing sound for reasoning? #occhat (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:39:25 +0000)
@cgenter @Symbolic_Life #occhat no, looks like something I will have to google though!(Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:39:32 +0000)
@DrWMB @Symbolic_Life @kirstyes #occhat with subjective self measures, the outcome is the self measured difference before/after intervention(Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:39:35 +0000)
@Keeper85 @Symbolic_Life we don’t always have to chose.. My client set their own scales and what they want to measure from our time #occhat (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:41:07 +0000)
@BillWongOT @Symbolic_Life don’t get what you are asking. Please clarify #occhat (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:41:17 +0000)
@Symbolic_Life RT @cgenter : @kirstyes #occhat I’ve never applied it, but wondered about the idea of occupational well-being as an outcome? http://t.co/KJyWF0Z166 (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:41:25 +0000)
@danielleb_90 @OTalk_Occhat @symbolic_life I work in hand therapy. We use the quick DASH – disabilities of the arm, shoulder and hand #occhat (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:42:17 +0000)
@Symbolic_Life @DrWMB @kirstyes So a quantitative approach could be measured in respect of placing personal meaning on there numerical value? #occhat (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:42:38 +0000)
@kirstyes What about using a video of occupational performance as an occupational OM? #occhat
Know it is used to eval SI intervention for example(Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:43:06 +0000)
@Symbolic_Life @danielleb_90 @OTalk_Occhat Does this depict function impact? #occhat (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:44:05 +0000)
@BillWongOT @Symbolic_Life @DrWMB @kirstyes I think this is difficult. My “7” on the COPM could be different from another person’s “7” on it. #occhat (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:44:17 +0000)
@Symbolic_Life RT @kirstyes : What about using a video of occupational performance as an occupational OM? #occhat
Know it is used to eval SI intervention for example(Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:44:22 +0000)
@kirstyes @Symbolic_Life @drwmb But if it is for the client do we need numbers? Or is this just for the service? Do we devalue by adding nos? #occhat (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:44:28 +0000)
@kirstyes Kawa for example could be evaluated by demonstrating the change in the river diagram,how valid would it be to measure rocks by mm? #occhat (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:45:25 +0000)
@Keeper85 @BillWongOT @Symbolic_Life @DrWMB @kirstyes depends who ur measuring for. If its for u to track progress it doesn’t matter #occhat (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:45:36 +0000)
@TherapistOT #occhat the measures that are meaningful must be those defined by our service users(Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:45:46 +0000)
@BillWongOT @Keeper85 @Symbolic_Life If it’s peds, I would say depends on work setting. Have to work with best available #occhat (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:45:54 +0000)
@cgenter @Richardsblister #occhat right! can MoHOST be repeated to achieve this, at each of those intervals?(Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:46:18 +0000)
@Symbolic_Life 6. Do you think your outcome measures benefit your service users and service evaluation? Is it possible to do both? #occhat (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:46:30 +0000)
@Keeper85 RT @TherapistOT : #occhat the measures that are meaningful must be those defined by our service users(Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:46:33 +0000)
@BillWongOT @Keeper85 @Symbolic_Life @DrWMB @kirstyes I meant something different, as I was talking about my experience as a client 4 COPM. #occhat (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:47:14 +0000)
@BillWongOT @Keeper85 @Symbolic_Life it could be FM, GM, and that is dependent on parent interviews, teachers input, etc. #occhat (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:48:25 +0000)
@Symbolic_Life @kirstyes @DrWMB To gain professional reckoning is it not vital for evaluation? #occhat #commissioning (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:48:29 +0000)
@RebeccaTwinley @Keeper85 @symbolic_life And that really challenges-in a good way-service-driven use of OMs (who r we doing it for/with?) #Occhat hello btw!(Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:48:30 +0000)
@Keeper85 @Symbolic_Life I’ve not seen it happen with the same OM hence my use of multiple #occhat (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:48:39 +0000)
@OTalk_Occhat I have a question for all, how often do your assessments or goals become your outcome measures or is it something else on top? #occhat (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:48:44 +0000)
@BillWongOT @DrWMB true… I know the FIM does that, for example. #occhat (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:48:56 +0000)
@DrWMB @kirstyes #occhat v amusing but notice how the river narrows and widens (measurable difference) and gets more cluttered or clearer?(Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:49:18 +0000)
@Symbolic_Life Sorry if im not catching up with all answers- Il be sure to after our fast moving chat is ended 🙂 Thank you all for your replies! #occhat (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:49:29 +0000)
@cgenter #occhat @Richardsblister right, context makes sense now. Would some form of online/email evaluation work (until outreach OTs arrive!)(Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:49:50 +0000)
@Keeper85 @RebeccaTwinley @symbolic_life YAY! Rebecca’s here! #occhat (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:49:59 +0000)
@Symbolic_Life RT @Keeper85 : @Symbolic_Life I’ve not seen it happen with the same OM hence my use of multiple #occhat (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:50:01 +0000)
@BillWongOT @OTalk_Occhat If it’s peds, I think assessments and goals go hand in hand with OM’s. #occhat (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:50:27 +0000)
@Keeper85 @RebeccaTwinley @symbolic_life completely agree! #occhat (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:50:28 +0000)
@Helen_otuk @OTalk_Occhat for adaptations then yes the clients goals are the outcome measure. But we also have to do financial impacts additonal #occhat (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:50:56 +0000)
@BillWongOT @cgenter @Richardsblister That may work- maybe something like telehealth? #occhat (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:51:00 +0000)
@Keeper85 @OTalk_Occhat always #occhat (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:51:17 +0000)
@kirstyes @BillWongOT @symbolic_life @drwmb Yes, score will be diff between clients but purp of COPM not 2 compare clients 2 others only self #occhat (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:51:27 +0000)
@DrWMB @Symbolic_Life @kirstyes #occhat we need numbers or measures, yes, but they are not the only outcomes which should be valued(Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:51:58 +0000)
@Symbolic_Life 7. How can we as a profession ensure we are using the right OM’S for client and service for the Payment By Results incentive? (UK) #occhat (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:51:59 +0000)
@kirstyes @Richardsblister @symbolic_life @drwmb Do the figures they want measure what they need to? #occhat (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:52:33 +0000)
@danielleb_90 @Symbolic_Life @otalk_occhat it looks aspects of ADLs/work and pts rate difficulty on scale (no difficulty-severe/unable) Its quick #occhat (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:52:57 +0000)
@Symbolic_Life RT @kirstyes : @Richardsblister @symbolic_life @drwmb Do the figures they want measure what they need to? #occhat (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:52:59 +0000)
@kirstyes RT @DrWMB : @kirstyes #occhat v amusing but notice how the river narrows and widens (measurable difference) and gets more cluttered or clearer?(Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:53:05 +0000)
@TherapistOT @kirstyes video is my favourite tool & we are only just working out how we can use this #occhat (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:53:17 +0000)
@kirstyes @DrWMB ;0). So a more qualitative narrative of change in this instance then ;0) #occhat (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:53:34 +0000)
@kirstyes RT @TherapistOT : @kirstyes video is my favourite tool & we are only just working out how we can use this #occhat (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:53:48 +0000)
@BillWongOT @Symbolic_Life Chart review & doing a good job on client’s occupational history is important. #occhat (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:53:57 +0000)
@Symbolic_Life RT @TherapistOT : @kirstyes video is my favourite tool & we are only just working out how we can use this #occhat (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:54:11 +0000)
@BillWongOT RT @TherapistOT : @kirstyes video is my favourite tool & we are only just working out how we can use this #occhat (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:54:26 +0000)
@Symbolic_Life RT @BillWongOT : @Symbolic_Life Chart review & doing a good job on client’s occupational history is important. #occhat (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:54:31 +0000)
@RebeccaTwinley @OTalk_Occhat taking a general overview/perspective based upon exp and working with OTs as educators id say far more often than not #Occhat (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:54:50 +0000)
@kirstyes @TherapistOT great, will be interested to see how you get on. #occhat
Issues of confidentiality etc with video depending on use.(Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:54:51 +0000)
@TherapistOT #occhat many outcome measures are more about demonstrating value our service than valuable to our clients(Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:55:03 +0000)
@DrWMB @Richardsblister @kirstyes @symbolic_life #occhat figures drive so much but restrict reasoning and innovation?(Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:55:13 +0000)
@OTalk_Occhat RT @BillWongOT : @OTalk_Occhat If it’s peds, I think assessments and goals go hand in hand with OM’s. #occhat (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:55:19 +0000)
@Symbolic_Life RT @kirstyes : @TherapistOT great, will be interested to see how you get on. #occhat
Issues of confidentiality etc with video depending on use.(Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:55:37 +0000)
@Symbolic_Life RT @TherapistOT : #occhat many outcome measures are more about demonstrating value our service than valuable to our clients(Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:55:45 +0000)
@cgenter @Richardsblister #Occhat yes that could be off-putting for some, or an opportunity for skill development for others? I think there are eMoHO(Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:55:54 +0000)
@Symbolic_Life @TherapistOT how do you think we can change this to consider both? #occhat (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:56:00 +0000)
@OTalk_Occhat @RebeccaTwinley I think this is a good thing, means the process works?? #occhat (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:56:17 +0000)
@BillWongOT @Symbolic_Life because your clinical reasoning will come into play. #occhat (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:56:21 +0000)
@Symbolic_Life @DrWMB @richardsblister @kirstyes how do you think this can be reviewed? #occhat (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:56:27 +0000)
@Keeper85 @BillWongOT @Symbolic_Life for Ax maybe but got very little to do with OM #occhat (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:56:34 +0000)
@DrWMB @kirstyes #occhat kawa is good example of benefits of combining measuring and telling stories then?(Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:56:54 +0000)
@TherapistOT @kirstyes my consent process becomes an empowering process of recovery #Occhat (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:56:55 +0000)
@Symbolic_Life Ok FINAL QUESTION…… 8. How do you propose we audit our outcome measures? #occhat (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:57:43 +0000)
@BillWongOT RT @TherapistOT : @kirstyes my consent process becomes an empowering process of recovery #Occhat (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:57:51 +0000)
@cgenter @Richardsblister #occhat http://t.co/Som7CzmsVm link to eMoHO, not sure if it’s what you are after though?(Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:58:13 +0000)
@DrWMB @Symbolic_Life @richardsblister @kirstyes #occhat by insisting on explaining the figure and measurements? Providing a narrative?(Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:58:28 +0000)
@OTalk_Occhat Last two minutes. Feel free to keep chatting folks, will grab the chat after 24 hours. But any take home messages? #occhat (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:58:47 +0000)
@OTalk_Occhat Huge thanks to @Symbolic_Life for hosting and everyone for joining in. #occhat (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:59:15 +0000)
@EmmJacq @kirstyes @TherapistOT more client-centered when enabling the client to see change for themselves rather than just stating it? #occhat (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:59:15 +0000)
@Keeper85 @Symbolic_Life triangulation of information #occhat (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:59:30 +0000)
@OTalk_Occhat #occhat . Next week is an #OTalk on student to practitioner transition. @clissa89 blog post which you can read in prep http://t.co/Z08CYFYJOI (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 21:00:03 +0000)
@Symbolic_Life RT @OTalk_Occhat : Last two minutes. Feel free to keep chatting folks, will grab the chat after 24 hours. But any take home messages? #occhat (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 21:00:12 +0000)
@Symbolic_Life RT @Keeper85 : @Symbolic_Life triangulation of information #occhat (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 21:00:43 +0000)
@pd2ot RT @OTalk_Occhat : #occhat . Next week is an #OTalk on student to practitioner transition. @clissa89 blog post which you can read in prep http://t.co/Z08CYFYJOI (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 21:00:46 +0000)
@BillWongOT @OTalk_Occhat OM’s are important in this day and age in EBP. But we need to measures are client and family centered. #occhat (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 21:00:50 +0000)
@Helen_otuk Thanks folks, lots of thoughts to take to my ‘new’ role and how we will ‘measure’ I will let you know how I get on/ #occhat (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 21:01:05 +0000)
@Symbolic_Life RT @OTalk_Occhat : #occhat . Next week is an #OTalk on student to practitioner transition. @clissa89 blog post which you can read in prep http://t.co/Z08CYFYJOI (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 21:01:09 +0000)
@RebeccaTwinley @OTalk_Occhat Y,there r many reasons we use OMs & so there r many approaches/tools/strategies to doing so.I see that as their value #Occhat (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 21:01:10 +0000)
@DrWMB @OTalk_Occhat #occhat thanks, interesting: know how and what to measure and why: tell the story for context(Tue, 26 Mar 2013 21:01:37 +0000)
@kirstyes @EmmJacq @therapistot Definitely. watching a Pre and post intervention video may enable changes 2be seen that aren’t in real time?? #occhat (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 21:02:05 +0000)
@Lara_Stanley RT @OTalk_Occhat : #occhat . Next week is an #OTalk on student to practitioner transition. @clissa89 blog post which you can read in prep http://t.co/Z08CYFYJOI (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 21:02:07 +0000)
@kirstyes RT @DrWMB : @kirstyes #occhat kawa is good example of benefits of combining measuring and telling stories then?(Tue, 26 Mar 2013 21:02:20 +0000)
@Symbolic_Life RT @BillWongOT : @OTalk_Occhat OM’s are important in this day and age in EBP. But we need to measures are client and family centered. #occhat (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 21:02:25 +0000)
@Symbolic_Life RT @Helen_otuk : Thanks folks, lots of thoughts to take to my ‘new’ role and how we will ‘measure’ I will let you know how I get on/ #occhat (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 21:02:46 +0000)
@Symbolic_Life RT @DrWMB : @OTalk_Occhat #occhat thanks, interesting: know how and what to measure and why: tell the story for context(Tue, 26 Mar 2013 21:03:04 +0000)
@kirstyes @DrWMB Maybe, I do like a good narrative me. Think we plan to look at Kawa again this year. #occhat (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 21:03:04 +0000)
@Keeper85 #occhat thanks to @Symbolic_Life for an awesome chat! One of my favs so far! Thought provoking(Tue, 26 Mar 2013 21:03:07 +0000)
@kirstyes @Richardsblister @symbolic_life @drwmb Sounds like a need for a longitudinal research audit there. ;0) #occhat (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 21:04:01 +0000)
@Symbolic_Life Thank You all for such yummy chat by assisting me in reckoning with OM’S in different services as i go into my writing my MSc Dissi #occhat (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 21:04:03 +0000)
@Symbolic_Life RT @Keeper85 : #occhat thanks to @Symbolic_Life for an awesome chat! One of my favs so far! Thought provoking(Tue, 26 Mar 2013 21:04:14 +0000)
@clissa89 RT @OTalk_Occhat : #occhat . Next week is an #OTalk on student to practitioner transition. @clissa89 blog post which you can read in prep http://t.co/Z08CYFYJOI (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 21:04:27 +0000)
@TherapistOT @kirstyes @emmjacq the temporal nature of video promotes deep reflection around the context of performances #occhat (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 21:04:27 +0000)
@BillWongOT @Keeper85 @Symbolic_Life ditto! #occhat (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 21:04:47 +0000)
@Helen_otuk Thanks to @Symbolic_Life for this evenings #occhat topic and @kirstyes for supporting us. Great job ladies!(Tue, 26 Mar 2013 21:04:48 +0000)
@kirstyes RT @TherapistOT : @kirstyes @emmjacq the temporal nature of video promotes deep reflection around the context of performances #occhat (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 21:04:50 +0000)
@DrWMB @kirstyes #occhat me too, narrative reasoning is the business!(Tue, 26 Mar 2013 21:04:58 +0000)
@Helen_otuk Yay from me too RT @DrWMB : @kirstyes #occhat me too, narrative reasoning is the business!(Tue, 26 Mar 2013 21:06:04 +0000)
@OTalk_Occhat RT @BillWongOT : @OTalk_Occhat OM’s are important in this day and age in EBP. But we need to measures are client and family centered. #occhat (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 21:06:14 +0000)
@OTalk_Occhat @Richardsblister @symbolic_life great to hear. Do let us know on the blog post how you get on with it. #occhat (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 21:06:52 +0000)
@OTalk_Occhat RT @DrWMB : @OTalk_Occhat #occhat thanks, interesting: know how and what to measure and why: tell the story for context(Tue, 26 Mar 2013 21:07:24 +0000)
@OTalk_Occhat Night all, switching back to me only. #occhat (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 21:08:40 +0000)
@Symbolic_Life @BillWongOT @keeper85 awe shucks … #hidesunderpillow #thanksguys ! #occhat (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 21:30:21 +0000)
@Keeper85 @Symbolic_Life hahahaha go u! #occhat (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 21:50:18 +0000)
@Wardmans I wasn’t able to join in #occhat tonight. I was otherwise occupied 😉 It’s a good read afterwards though. Did you have fun @Symbolic_Life ?(Tue, 26 Mar 2013 22:09:40 +0000)
@TalkingMats RT @Symbolic_Life : Hi all shall we kick of with ‘ Do you think as a profession we need outcome measures?’ #occhat (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 22:29:13 +0000)
@GemSLT RT @Symbolic_Life : Hi all shall we kick of with ‘ Do you think as a profession we need outcome measures?’ #occhat (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 22:30:37 +0000)
@GemSLT RT @Keeper85 : @Symbolic_Life yes lol how else do we know if what we do is actually being effective? #occhat (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 22:30:43 +0000)
@Trio33 RT @clissa89 : #Occhat RT @visualinsight : Glowing Screens, Sleepless Nights: An infographic on tech-induced insomnia… http://t.co/QzXACHh3 (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 23:11:47 +0000)
@OTthoughts RT @TherapistOT : #occhat many outcome measures are more about demonstrating value our service than valuable to our clients(Tue, 26 Mar 2013 23:32:03 +0000)
@OTthoughts RT @Keeper85 : @Symbolic_Life AusTOMs looks at objective improvement in engagement #occhat (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 23:35:32 +0000)
@OTthoughts RT @cgenter : @Symbolic_Life #occhat think this suggests some ways http://t.co/KJyWF0Z166, but not standardised. they are still working on it I believe(Tue, 26 Mar 2013 23:36:22 +0000)
@OTthoughts RT @BillWongOT : @OTalk_Occhat OM’s are important in this day and age in EBP. But we need to measures are client and family centered. #occhat (Tue, 26 Mar 2013 23:37:56 +0000)
@Wardmans @kirstyes after a workshop from Kee Hean lim i would say the conclusions you and the client deduce from KAWA can be measured. #occhat 1/2(Wed, 27 Mar 2013 09:40:40 +0000)
@Wardmans @kirstyes it’s the meaning the client gives to the rocks that matters #occhat 2/2(Wed, 27 Mar 2013 09:41:17 +0000)
@kirstyes @Wardmans definitely agree with you. Was there any discussion about applying quantitative measures in any way? #occhat (Wed, 27 Mar 2013 15:29:57 +0000)
@BPDFFS RT @OTalk_Occhat : #occhat . Next week is an #OTalk on student to practitioner transition. @clissa89 blog post which you can read in prep http://t.co/Z08CYFYJOI (Thu, 28 Mar 2013 14:05:43 +0000)
@kirstyes @BAOTCOT Not until this evening. Very happy to be part of this. #OTalk #occhat (Fri, 29 Mar 2013 00:06:20 +0000)
@Helen_otuk #FF the #OTalk #Occhat team pleasure to work with you all. @kirstyes @gilliancrossley @clissa89 @claireOT @cgenter @ShaanOT @ShaanOT (Fri, 29 Mar 2013 08:42:33 +0000)
@claireOT RT @Helen_otuk : #FF the #OTalk #Occhat team pleasure to work with you all. @kirstyes @gilliancrossley @clissa89 @claireOT @cgenter @ShaanOT @ShaanOT (Fri, 29 Mar 2013 08:54:58 +0000)
@claireOT @Helen_otuk totally agree! #ff #otalk #occhat crew @kirstyes @gilliancrossley @clissa89 @cgenter @shaanot @shaanot (Fri, 29 Mar 2013 08:55:18 +0000)
@kirstyes RT @Helen_otuk : #FF the #OTalk #Occhat team pleasure to work with you all. @kirstyes @gilliancrossley @clissa89 @claireOT @cgenter @ShaanOT @ShaanOT (Fri, 29 Mar 2013 09:43:34 +0000)
@cgenter Amazing work by all on #OTalk #Occhat , esp. @kirstyes @gilliancrossley @clissa89 & @claireOT acknowledged in https://t.co/0KghUcLKB6(Fri, 29 Mar 2013 10:16:16 +0000)
@Lisa_D_OT RT @cgenter : Amazing work by all on #OTalk #Occhat , esp. @kirstyes @gilliancrossley @clissa89 & @claireOT acknowledged in https://t.co/0KghUcLKB6(Fri, 29 Mar 2013 10:26:13 +0000)
@AnnabelFenn RT @cgenter : Amazing work by all on #OTalk #Occhat , esp. @kirstyes @gilliancrossley @clissa89 & @claireOT acknowledged in https://t.co/0KghUcLKB6(Fri, 29 Mar 2013 11:15:35 +0000)
@Helen_otuk Me too, great community of OT’s. RT @kirstyes : @BAOTCOT Not until this evening. Very happy to be part of this. #OTalk #occhat (Fri, 29 Mar 2013 12:49:41 +0000)

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