Social Isolation and Loneliness
Date: 25/03/2014 Host: @GillyGorry
#OTalk 25th March will be hosted by me (@GillyGorry) We will be discussing loneliness and social isolation.
How does this affect our service users, their families and caregivers? How can we help? What is the OT role?
I have started a Learnist board for resources, I will continue to add resources and will add those shared during the chat. http://learni.st/users/gillian.crossley.7/boards/76628-understanding-loneliness-and-social-isolation
| gillygorry |
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Evening #OTalk who’s online to join us tonight in discussing loneliness and social isolation? |
| helen_otuk |
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Evening. I am here. #OTalk |
| billwongot |
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#otalk I am here. |
| ot_rach |
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@GillyGorry here #OTalk |
| smiffybrian |
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#OTalk hi, I’m here- although Manchester derby is on radio. Try not to get too distracted, Brin |
| gillygorry |
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http://t.co/wXAxwrHJba i have gathered a few resources for tonight. I will add others shared #OTalk |
| symbolic_life |
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@GillyGorry @OT_rach I’m here … Just about 🙂 9am in NZ #OTalk |
| gillygorry |
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I am really looking forward to tonights chat. This is a subject I think about often and I am looking forward to discussing this #OTalk |
| allisulliotprof |
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Understanding Loneliness and Social Isolation http://t.co/TY83WfTDHC #OTalk |
| kirstyes |
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Evening #OTalk peeps. Hope everyone is well. |
| ot_rach |
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@Symbolic_Life @GillyGorry morning Michelle #otalk |
| sewphiet |
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Great topic, joining in for now but expecting a call #otalk |
| gillygorry |
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Firstly I thought we could consider the difference between ‘social isolation’ and ‘ loneliness’ what defines them? #OTalk |
| camhs_ot |
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RT @Helen_OTUK: This evenings topic starting at 8pm. Understanding Loneliness and Social Isolation. What can we do? http://t.co/MLN2hPfFQ5 … |
| deblants |
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#OTalk good evening all |
| kirstyes |
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RT @GillyGorry: Firstly I thought we could consider the difference between ‘social isolation’ and ‘ loneliness’ what defines them? #OTalk |
| sewphiet |
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You can be surrounded by people and still be lonely it is a lack of connection with others… #otalk |
| gillygorry |
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@DebLants me too. How do you identify and intervene? #OTalk |
| gillygorry |
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RT @sewphiet: You can be surrounded by people and still be lonely it is a lack of connection with others… #otalk |
| sewphiet |
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Isolation more a lack of social opportunites #otalk |
| ot_rach |
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@GillyGorry great question! #OTalk |
| smiffybrian |
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Different sides of same coin: objective circumstances v internal state? #OTalk |
| gillygorry |
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@CaraElaine great to have you 🙂 join in if you you can #OTalk |
| billwongot |
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@sewphiet That’s my life outside of OT conferences a lot of times. #OTalk |
| pixiegirle |
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Loneliness is something we feel even when we may not be ‘socially isolated’ #otalk |
| symbolic_life |
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Is social isolation the act of no community where loneliness maybe the emotion? I’m guessing? #OTalk |
| helen_otuk |
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@GillyGorry yes Gill I think working in the community makes us very aware of the London lonliness of those we support. #OTalk |
| kirstyes |
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@GillyGorry good question. Social isolation – lack of contact (practical thing) and loneliness – a feeling. Can be lonely in a crowd. #otalk |
| gillygorry |
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@OT_rach have been think about this today. some people are happy with their own company. does the loneliness come when they’re not? #OTalk |
| pic20133 |
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| alresfordbear |
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@Symbolic_Life Social isolation can also be an elective choice for some 🙂 #OTalk |
| cumbrianclaire |
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@GillyGorry @kirstyes ? Social circle v contact with people. I wouldn’t consider myself to be socially isolated though loneliness has #OTalk |
| billwongot |
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@GillyGorry Loneliness is being alone & desiring company, whereas social isolation is a choice 2 b alone in social settings. #otalk |
| healthorder |
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RT @Helen_OTUK: This evenings topic starting at 8pm. Understanding Loneliness and Social Isolation. What can we do? http://t.co/MLN2hPfFQ5 … |
| cumbrianclaire |
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@GillyGorry @kirstyes has been a big part of the last year or so & made it more challenging to overcome depression & anxiety. #OTalk |
| billwongot |
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@AlresfordBear @Symbolic_Life Yes… sometimes I make this choice… as I don’t want to be bothered by anyone else! #OTalk |
| sewphiet |
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In mental health I have met people who feel isolated due to stigma #otalk |
| smiffybrian |
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#OTalk possible to be socially isolated but not lonely & socially included and lonely? |
| alresfordbear |
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@BillWongOT @Symbolic_Life It depends whether isolation is based on elective choice or is a condition imposed by society #OTalk |
| kirstyes |
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#otalk is social isolation about face to face contact? Do we count online contact? With online people might have richer social life?? |
| akwcares |
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@GillyGorry @OT_rach maybe that depends on your definition of loneliness. Whether you define it as solitude or a negative emotion. #OTalk |
| gillygorry |
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RT @kirstyes: @GillyGorry good question. Social isolation – lack of contact (practical thing) and loneliness – a feeling. Can be lonely in … |
| kirstyes |
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RT @BillWongOT: @GillyGorry Loneliness is being alone & desiring company, whereas social isolation is a choice 2 b alone in social settings… |
| symbolic_life |
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@BillWongOT @AlresfordBear I don’t know if that would be classed as lonely then? Only by social expect maybe. 1/2 #OTalk |
| billwongot |
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@GillyGorry @OT_rach From my personal experience, I think so. Sometimes I desire to have someone to talk to. #OTalk |
| pixiegirle |
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@pixiegirle: @cumbrianclaire @GillyGorry @kirstyes yes i agree with ur experience – loneliness can b a cause & sumptom of depression #OTalk |
| smiffybrian |
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#OTalk sometimes solitude can be intentional act & state that is beneficial but perceived as loneliness |
| gillygorry |
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RT @cumbrianclaire: @GillyGorry @kirstyes ? Social circle v contact with people. I wouldn’t consider myself to be socially isolated though … |
| symbolic_life |
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@BillWongOT @AlresfordBear I live having my time but I’m not lonely, so how as OTs << love saying that do we depict the two? #OTalk |
| pixiegirle |
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RT @AlresfordBear: @BillWongOT @Symbolic_Life It depends whether isolation is based on elective choice or is a condition imposed by society… |
| kirstyes |
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RT @smiffybrian: #OTalk possible to be socially isolated but not lonely & socially included and lonely? |
| helen_otuk |
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Yes, people often become isolated due to health or social circumstances. #OTalk |
| ot_rach |
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@GillyGorry I think so, #otalk |
| billwongot |
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@sewphiet That’s true- as some disabilities are more apparent than others. #otalk |
| billwongot |
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@sewphiet and some people felt that they are socially awkward. #OTalk |
| alresfordbear |
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@Symbolic_Life @BillWongOT What is loneliness. It can occur even when numerical inclusion is present #OTalk |
| gillygorry |
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@BillWongOT I see what you’re saying. I’m not sure social isolation is always a choice #OTalk |
| pixiegirle |
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@BillWongOT @GillyGorry @OT_rach me too #OTalk |
| deblants |
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Social isolation I feel is when a person feels unable to engage in social activities when they would like to. Can lead to low mood #OTalk |
| bronwynhemsley |
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Wednesdays 7am look #OTalk #WeNurses #AdjunctChat all at the same time. Imagine a collaborative topic. And that’s only my timeline! |
| sewphiet |
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@BillWongOT or have social anxiety (but want contact with others) #otalk |
| helen_otuk |
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@GillyGorry @BillWongOT agree not always an active choice. #OTalk |
| kirstyes |
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@cumbrianclaire @GillyGorry appreciate those experiences fully #otalk |
| smiffybrian |
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#OTalk starting point is ‘what is important to you ?’ For some solitude is important, e.g. contemplative space |
| billwongot |
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@sewphiet that’s me to a treat the beginning of OT school #otalk |
| helen_otuk |
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Agree RT @smiffybrian #OTalk starting point is ‘what is important to you ?’ For some solitude is important, e.g. contemplative space |
| billwongot |
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RT @smiffybrian: #OTalk starting point is ‘what is important to you ?’ For some solitude is important, e.g. contemplative space |
| pixiegirle |
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@DebLants but wot about those who r able but social isolation created by society – not just down to ability of individual #OTalk |
| ot_rach |
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@GillyGorry thinking back to being a carer, I felt lonely + socially isolated, as was away from friends and family -caring 4 my gran #OTalk |
| cumbrianclaire |
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@kirstyes Online contact is very important to me. I think an area forgotten when working with people. #OTalk |
| ce_jolley |
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RT @smiffybrian: #OTalk starting point is ‘what is important to you ?’ For some solitude is important, e.g. contemplative space |
| gillygorry |
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What do you feel are the key issues when considering the implications of social isolation and loneliness on public health? #OTalk |
| billwongot |
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@DebLants yes… I felt that way sometimes when I learned my autism dx. #OTalk |
| gillygorry |
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RT @OT_rach: @GillyGorry thinking back to being a carer, I felt lonely + socially isolated, as was away from friends and family -caring 4 m… |
| billwongot |
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RT @OT_rach: @GillyGorry thinking back to being a carer, I felt lonely + socially isolated, as was away from friends and family -caring 4 m… |
| pixiegirle |
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@cumbrianclaire @kirstyes v important to me too – i can talk to ppl who share my experiences #OTalk |
| billwongot |
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RT @cumbrianclaire: @kirstyes Online contact is very important to me. I think an area forgotten when working with people. #OTalk |
| kirstyes |
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@cumbrianclaire and when online relationships are ignored by others we might make people feel isolated when they aren’t. #otalk |
| smiffybrian |
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#OTalk so much cultural pressure to socialise and be uncomfortable with silence and being on ones own |
| billwongot |
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@GillyGorry quality of life is one of them. #OTalk |
| gillygorry |
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@OT_rach I often see carers who feel this way. We have great carers support services in my locality to refer to #OTalk |
| billwongot |
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RT @smiffybrian: #OTalk so much cultural pressure to socialise and be uncomfortable with silence and being on ones own |
| pixiegirle |
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@GillyGorry the causes / wot leads to loneliness – use this knowledge to inform health prevention #OTalk |
| kirstyes |
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RT @GillyGorry: What do you feel are the key issues when considering the implications of social isolation and loneliness on public health? … |
| symbolic_life |
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RT @kirstyes: @cumbrianclaire and when online relationships are ignored by others we might make people feel isolated when they aren’t. #ota… |
| helen_otuk |
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@GillyGorry @OT_rach Sadly not everywhere. Some areas are isolated from the wider community. #OTalk |
| smiffybrian |
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the work of James Lynch on medical consequences of loneliness is over 30 yrs old but still not integrated in to clinical practice #OTalk |
| billwongot |
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@smiffybrian yes… And my family sometimes. Being autistic and the rest of my family are neurotypicals make things tough sometimes. #otalk |
| ot_rach |
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@GillyGorry I only did it fir one month, whitest we arranged moving her, gained a new found respect for careers #otalk |
| jenicarabaya |
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@GillyGorry A change of social and health situation can impact on person’s ability to function in the community. #OTalk |
| billwongot |
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@DebLants yes… That was my case with girls before OT. #otalk |
| billwongot |
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RT @JenicaRabaya: @GillyGorry A change of social and health situation can impact on person’s ability to function in the community. #OTalk |
| smiffybrian |
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#OTalk loneliness bigger risk factor for cardiac problems than heavy smoking |
| kirstyes |
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@GillyGorry I think one you’ve mentioned before is the drive to push independence can create social isolation #otalk |
| symbolic_life |
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RT @smiffybrian: the work of James Lynch on medical consequences of loneliness is over 30 yrs old but still not integrated in to clinical p… |
| alresfordbear |
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@JenicaRabaya @GillyGorry Does community exist 🙂 #OTalk |
| billwongot |
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@JenicaRabaya @GillyGorry yes- OT school improved my social confidence. Not as afraid socially any more. #otalk |
| gillygorry |
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Feeling alone even when there are lots of people can be overwhelming. sometimes need that personal conection to not be alone. #OTalk |
| ot_rach |
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@kirstyes @GillyGorry interesting point, #OTalk |
| billwongot |
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@AlresfordBear @JenicaRabaya @GillyGorry it does. I needed OT school- friendly environment to fix my social errors. #otalk |
| ot_rach |
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RT @smiffybrian: #OTalk loneliness bigger risk factor for cardiac problems than heavy smoking |
| symbolic_life |
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RT @kirstyes: @GillyGorry I think one you’ve mentioned before is the drive to push independence can create social isolation #otalk |
| billwongot |
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RT @GillyGorry: Feeling alone even when there are lots of people can be overwhelming. sometimes need that personal conection to not be alon… |
| alresfordbear |
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@BillWongOT @JenicaRabaya @GillyGorry #OTalk I can see it does on some level, but is often used politically to reinforce othering 🙂 |
| smiffybrian |
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#OTalk as OTs we see totality of person: bio psycho social states + actions+ environment |
| gillygorry |
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As occupational Therapist in various settings, how do you identify? intervene? #OTalk |
| symbolic_life |
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@kirstyes @GillyGorry I was thinking the same the OT impacting social isolation through our goals. Either therapist or corporate #OTalk 1/2 |
| gillygorry |
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RT @smiffybrian: #OTalk as OTs we see totality of person: bio psycho social states + actions+ environment |
| ot_rach |
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Do pets / animal contact help with tackling loneliness #OTalk |
| symbolic_life |
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@kirstyes @GillyGorry what if someone doesn’t want independence for that reason? 2/2 #OTalk |
| billwongot |
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@GillyGorry yes- when I met Ryan Cowan (fellow autistic OT), I no longer felt alone in OT. Instead I believed I can be OT. #otalk |
| jenicarabaya |
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@AlresfordBear @GillyGorry It does exist. Community could be your family and network of friends, colleagues etc. #OTalk |
| deblants |
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Can be a case of not feeling you have much to look forward to #OTalk |
| symbolic_life |
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@OT_rach apparently so, animal therapy #OTalk |
| smiffybrian |
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#otalk we start with inviting the person to tell us their story in their words |
| billwongot |
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@OT_rach perhaps- like therapy dog. Can make person look cool to talk to sometimes. #otalk |
| helen_otuk |
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We can experience loneliness in relation to specific areas of our lives. Even if we are generally socially included. #OTalk |
| billwongot |
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RT @smiffybrian: #OTalk as OTs we see totality of person: bio psycho social states + actions+ environment |
| billwongot |
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RT @smiffybrian: #otalk we start with inviting the person to tell us their story in their words |
| symbolic_life |
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How do we measure the social environment? #OTalk |
| billwongot |
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@smiffybrian sometimes just an invitation to sit in a conversation is good enough. #otalk |
| alresfordbear |
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@JenicaRabaya @GillyGorry Why then a centralised definition of community which is then interpreted to fit the paradigm #OTalk |
| billwongot |
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RT @JenicaRabaya: @AlresfordBear @GillyGorry It does exist. Community could be your family and network of friends, colleagues etc. #OTalk |
| ot_rach |
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@BillWongOT @Symbolic_Life also something to look after, #meaningful daily activity, reason to get up on a morning #otalk #pets |
| akwcares |
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@OT_rach just having that presence to talk to (even though they can’t talk back) surely must be a help. #OTalk |
| smiffybrian |
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@BillWongOT absolutely. Key quality is ‘intelligent kindness’#otalk |
| gillygorry |
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I often C ppl bonding with carers & willingness 2 give up independence to keep carer #otalk shouldnt been a choice people have to make. |
| alresfordbear |
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@JenicaRabaya @GillyGorry And why is community always romanticised as an idyll 🙂 #OTalk |
| billwongot |
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@JenicaRabaya @AlresfordBear @GillyGorry yes… That’s why I love the OT community. No longer I am by myself. #OTalk |
| jenicarabaya |
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@OT_rach It definitely does! I’ve seen residents in the home who always lights up when the animal therapist visits the home. #OTalk |
| billwongot |
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@Symbolic_Life the setting, people in it, the occasion, expectations, and see how a person stacks up. #otalk |
| deblants |
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Just being invited to friends, social events etc can give a person a sense of belongingness and tackle social isolation #OTalk |
| alresfordbear |
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@BillWongOT @JenicaRabaya @GillyGorry Depends on your definition of community. This is a friendly community 🙂 #OTalk |
| kirstyes |
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RT @Symbolic_Life: @kirstyes @GillyGorry I was thinking the same the OT impacting social isolation through our goals. Either therapist or c… |
| gillygorry |
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@BillWongOT @JenicaRabaya @AlresfordBear ME TOO!! love this online community #OTalk |
| billwongot |
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RT @OT_rach: @BillWongOT @Symbolic_Life also something to look after, #meaningful daily activity, reason to get up on a morning #otalk #pe… |
| helen_otuk |
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I think that we can explore from both an individual and community perspective. #OTalk |
| billwongot |
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RT @DebLants: Just being invited to friends, social events etc can give a person a sense of belongingness and tackle social isolation #OTalk |
| alresfordbear |
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@BillWongOT @JenicaRabaya @GillyGorry Shame I am not an OT #OTalk |
| billwongot |
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@DebLants #otalk is one example that gives me that… Lol! |
| ot_rach |
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@GillyGorry that’s a great point, where do the meaningful part come in, the relationship or the independent! #OTalk #2sides |
| billwongot |
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RT @AlresfordBear: @BillWongOT @JenicaRabaya @GillyGorry Depends on your definition of community. This is a friendly community 🙂 #OTalk |
| billwongot |
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RT @GillyGorry: @BillWongOT @JenicaRabaya @AlresfordBear ME TOO!! love this online community #OTalk |
| gillygorry |
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@DebLants thats really good, we should be involving carers more when possible #OTalk |
| ot_rach |
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RT @JenicaRabaya: @OT_rach It definitely does! I’ve seen residents in the home who always lights up when the animal therapist visits the h… |
| kirstyes |
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@Symbolic_Life @GillyGorry yes, this is why client centred practice and goal setting whilst challenging is so important. #otalk |
| ot_rach |
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@JenicaRabaya true, my grans care home get a pony visiting alway my grans fav day! #otalk |
| kirstyes |
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RT @GillyGorry: I often C ppl bonding with carers & willingness 2 give up independence to keep carer #otalk shouldnt been a choice people… |
| billwongot |
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@OT_rach @GillyGorry I think it depends- as in what a person wants to get out of a social experience. #otalk |
| billwongot |
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RT @GillyGorry: @DebLants thats really good, we should be involving carers more when possible #OTalk |
| jenicarabaya |
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@AlresfordBear @GillyGorry some people see community as a place where they can belong. #otalk |
| billwongot |
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RT @kirstyes: @Symbolic_Life @GillyGorry yes, this is why client centred practice and goal setting whilst challenging is so important. #ota… |
| symbolic_life |
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@OT_rach @BillWongOT gives you a role, when my best friend passed from cancer my mum got me Alfie, it helped. #OTalk http://t.co/FygrKZby4j |
| ot_rach |
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RT @kirstyes: @Symbolic_Life @GillyGorry yes, this is why client centred practice and goal setting whilst challenging is so important. #ota… |
| gillygorry |
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@kirstyes absolutely. I see this all the time. people rely on carers contact. more comunity services needed to tackle teh issue #OTalk |
| billwongot |
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RT @JenicaRabaya: @AlresfordBear @GillyGorry some people see community as a place where they can belong. #otalk |
| jenicarabaya |
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@GillyGorry @BillWongOT @AlresfordBear me too! Wish i was more active though. I do try my best. #OTalk |
| billwongot |
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RT @GillyGorry: @kirstyes absolutely. I see this all the time. people rely on carers contact. more comunity services needed to tackle teh i… |
| symbolic_life |
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@BillWongOT stacks up to what? Maybe they are happy, or just telling you they are in the social environment? #OTalk |
| gillygorry |
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“Belonging” vs “independence” this can cause issues. why can’t we work n both #OTalk |
| ot_rach |
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@Symbolic_Life @BillWongOT Alfie looks like pussy cat, my grams cat I now look after #OTalk http://t.co/jUXkLCCgDN |
| billwongot |
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@Symbolic_Life in terms of the ability to interact with others in the social environment. #otalk |
| jenicarabaya |
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@OT_rach Your gran’s home is posh! We adopted a stray cat in our home and named him George. All the old dears looks after him. #otalk |
| symbolic_life |
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@kirstyes @GillyGorry a process missed often but assuming our narratives and expectations over the clients. Unfortunately #OTalk |
| billwongot |
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RT @GillyGorry: “Belonging” vs “independence” this can cause issues. why can’t we work n both #OTalk |
| helen_otuk |
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@GillyGorry @kirstyes yes, when I was in reablement service we worked with local businesses to build ‘services’ multifactorial uses. #OTalk |
| billwongot |
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RT @smiffybrian: @BillWongOT absolutely. Key quality is ‘intelligent kindness’#otalk |
| billwongot |
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RT @Helen_OTUK: @GillyGorry @kirstyes yes, when I was in reablement service we worked with local businesses to build ‘services’ multifactor… |
| gillygorry |
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@Symbolic_Life I ask people about their social contacts, networks activities, we can plan goals linked to this. signpost to services #OTalk |
| billwongot |
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RT @GillyGorry: @Symbolic_Life I ask people about their social contacts, networks activities, we can plan goals linked to this. signpost to… |
| deblants |
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There needs to be more easily accessible community groups #OTalk |
| kirstyes |
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RT @Symbolic_Life: @kirstyes @GillyGorry a process missed often but assuming our narratives and expectations over the clients. Unfortunatel… |
| ot_rach |
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RT @GillyGorry: @Symbolic_Life I ask people about their social contacts, networks activities, we can plan goals linked to this. signpost to… |
| jenicarabaya |
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@GillyGorry @kirstyes We have pts who keeps coming back to our rehab beds because she does not like living alone. #OTalk |
| helen_otuk |
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EG. Local pub and taxi service set up lunch time social events. Lunch, transport and activities. All in the local area. #OTalk |
| billwongot |
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@GillyGorry @Symbolic_Life good one! Will def. ask that with autistics I want to work with. #otalk |
| gillygorry |
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@BillWongOT @Symbolic_Life not everyone wants to interact with all..sometimes its about finding the right fit #OTalk |
| billwongot |
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RT @DebLants: There needs to be more easily accessible community groups #OTalk |
| billwongot |
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@DebLants maybe finding groups online that meet offline regularly. #otalk |
| alresfordbear |
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@JenicaRabaya @GillyGorry True #OTalk Does the politicisation of community, create a further burden of expectation of participation 🙂 |
| smiffybrian |
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@leonc1963 @GillyGorry fair enough. What do you think works better? #otalk |
| billwongot |
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@GillyGorry @Symbolic_Life I agree. Sometimes I don’t interact when I am on jury duty. #otalk |
| gillygorry |
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This is the charity set up by the company i work for its a befriending/ friend matching service #otalk http://t.co/F1bLmiKO7R |
| billwongot |
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RT @AlresfordBear: @JenicaRabaya @GillyGorry True #OTalk Does the politicisation of community, create a further burden of expectation of pa… |
| billwongot |
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@AlresfordBear @JenicaRabaya @GillyGorry or for people with disabilities- others don’t understand. #otalk |
| jenicarabaya |
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I tend to suggest day rehab to my pts who are expressing neg thoughts about living alone.Its a chance for them to meet ppl+socialise #OTalk |
| patriciaregan |
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RT @GillyGorry: @Symbolic_Life I ask people about their social contacts, networks activities, we can plan goals linked to this. signpost to… |
| gillygorry |
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#otalk going so fast… trying to keep up |
| billwongot |
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RT @GillyGorry: This is the charity set up by the company i work for its a befriending/ friend matching service #otalk http://t.co/F1bLmiKO… |
| billwongot |
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RT @JenicaRabaya: I tend to suggest day rehab to my pts who are expressing neg thoughts about living alone.Its a chance for them to meet pp… |
| gillygorry |
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RT @AlresfordBear: @JenicaRabaya @GillyGorry True #OTalk Does the politicisation of community, create a further burden of expectation of pa… |
| kirstyes |
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@JenicaRabaya @GillyGorry that’s sad but not altogether surprising. #otalk |
| helen_otuk |
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People do not always want services, so working with the community to build home grown can be benificial. #OTalk |
| gillygorry |
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@AlresfordBear @JenicaRabaya interesting question. not everyone wants to participate and they dont feel lonely and thats fine #otalk |
| billwongot |
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RT @Helen_OTUK: People do not always want services, so working with the community to build home grown can be benificial. #OTalk |
| kirstyes |
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What is needed is fostering sense of community in real life as well as online. #otalk some students suggested know your neighbour campaign |
| gillygorry |
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@JenicaRabaya @kirstyes I think this is a common issue. are there any social contact services that maybe able to help? #otalk |
| francescaabrown |
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@DebLants I often find people reluctant to go to community groups and feel groups should go to them (mostly mobility related) #otalk |
| billwongot |
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@Helen_OTUK I know some autistics can be this way. #otalk |
| billwongot |
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RT @GillyGorry: @AlresfordBear @JenicaRabaya interesting question. not everyone wants to participate and they dont feel lonely and thats f… |
| billwongot |
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RT @kirstyes: What is needed is fostering sense of community in real life as well as online. #otalk some students suggested know your neigh… |
| jenicarabaya |
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@AlresfordBear @GillyGorry People do not need to socially conform. They know whats best for them providing they have the capacity. #otalk |
| gillygorry |
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RT @Helen_OTUK: @GillyGorry @kirstyes yes, when I was in reablement service we worked with local businesses to build ‘services’ multifactor… |
| smiffybrian |
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@Helen_OTUK may be easier to facilitate participation & belonging this way #otalk |
| billwongot |
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RT @francescaabrown: @DebLants I often find people reluctant to go to community groups and feel groups should go to them (mostly mobility r… |
| alresfordbear |
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@JenicaRabaya @GillyGorry One point which questions that. Unwise decisions 🙂 #OTalk |
| helen_otuk |
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I found this with the aging population. Do not want to go to a centre ona bus. But to the pub or cafe in a taxi, acceptable. #OTalk |
| billwongot |
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@francescaabrown @DebLants well- I think that some people think going to such groups = admitting to have a problem. #otalk |
| billwongot |
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RT @JenicaRabaya: @AlresfordBear @GillyGorry People do not need to socially conform. They know whats best for them providing they have the … |
| gillygorry |
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There are some simple things we can do. if we can be given time to do someones shopping, why not to take them shopping if possible? #otalk |
| kirstyes |
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RT @GillyGorry: This is the charity set up by the company i work for its a befriending/ friend matching service #otalk http://t.co/F1bLmiKO… |
| ot_rach |
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@JenicaRabaya @AlresfordBear @GillyGorry very true, start by asking what they want, not what you think a lonely person would need! #otalk |
| ot_rach |
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RT @Helen_OTUK: I found this with the aging population. Do not want to go to a centre ona bus. But to the pub or cafe in a taxi, acceptabl… |
| alresfordbear |
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@JenicaRabaya @GillyGorry If the choice is theirs, how does that take into account social inequalities 🙂 #OTalk |
| gillygorry |
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@BillWongOT @francescaabrown @DebLants yes, some dont like the label of charity and prefer paid carer #otalk maybe we need to change views |
| billwongot |
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@JenicaRabaya @AlresfordBear @GillyGorry yes… That’s why sometimes I don’t spend too much mental energy on making good eye contact. #otalk |
| ot_rach |
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@Helen_OTUK and normal!! #otalk |
| billwongot |
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RT @GillyGorry: There are some simple things we can do. if we can be given time to do someones shopping, why not to take them shopping if p… |
| smiffybrian |
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@JenicaRabaya @AlresfordBear @GillyGorry asking & finding out ‘what matters to you ‘ & ‘how can I best support this?’ #OTalk |
| ot_rach |
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RT @GillyGorry: There are some simple things we can do. if we can be given time to do someones shopping, why not to take them shopping if p… |
| jenicarabaya |
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@GillyGorry @AlresfordBear They have the right to choose. All we can do is provide info+navigate to diff agencies that can help. #otalk |
| alresfordbear |
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@OT_rach @JenicaRabaya @GillyGorry Person centred practice 🙂 Not socially constructed thinking 🙂 #OTalk |
| billwongot |
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RT @JenicaRabaya: @GillyGorry @AlresfordBear They have the right to choose. All we can do is provide info+navigate to diff agencies that ca… |
| billwongot |
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RT @smiffybrian: @JenicaRabaya @AlresfordBear @GillyGorry asking & finding out ‘what matters to you ‘ & ‘how can I best support this?’ #OTa… |
| billwongot |
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RT @AlresfordBear: @OT_rach @JenicaRabaya @GillyGorry Person centred practice 🙂 Not socially constructed thinking 🙂 #OTalk |
| helen_otuk |
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@smiffybrian yes also it belongs to the community not a serive provider as such… #OTalk |
| ot_rach |
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RT @smiffybrian: @JenicaRabaya @AlresfordBear @GillyGorry asking & finding out ‘what matters to you ‘ & ‘how can I best support this?’ #OTa… |
| ot_rach |
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RT @JenicaRabaya: @GillyGorry @AlresfordBear They have the right to choose. All we can do is provide info+navigate to diff agencies that ca… |
| billwongot |
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@AlresfordBear @OT_rach @JenicaRabaya @GillyGorry sometimes that can be tough with community integration groups. #otalk |
| ot_rach |
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RT @AlresfordBear: @OT_rach @JenicaRabaya @GillyGorry Person centred practice 🙂 Not socially constructed thinking 🙂 #OTalk |
| gillygorry |
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@AlresfordBear @JenicaRabaya Can you expand on that? not sure I follow? #otalk |
| gillygorry |
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RT @JenicaRabaya: @AlresfordBear @GillyGorry People do not need to socially conform. They know whats best for them providing they have the … |
| smiffybrian |
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@JenicaRabaya @GillyGorry @AlresfordBear increasingly so with personalisation of care & personal health & care budgets #otalk |
| sewphiet |
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@BillWongOT @francescaabrown @DebLants and even if you are brave enough to go, it can be hard to feel included! #otalk |
| helen_otuk |
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@OT_rach Yes. More fit with previous roles and experiences. #OTalk |
| billwongot |
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@sewphiet @francescaabrown @DebLants same with me 4 social confidence group. Had to find courage to attend one! #otalk |
| billwongot |
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RT @sewphiet: @BillWongOT @francescaabrown @DebLants and even if you are brave enough to go, it can be hard to feel included! #otalk |
| alresfordbear |
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@GillyGorry @JenicaRabaya If the choice is purely of the individual. How does that consider structural inequalities, such as housing. #OTalk |
| gillygorry |
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@kirstyes its a brilliant service! #otalk always looking for volunteers… |
| symbolic_life |
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@morrisKOT @kirstyes @GillyGorry it goes far to say should we be using the term independence in some of our OT. Definitions? #OTalk |
| billwongot |
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@sewphiet @francescaabrown @DebLants yes- didn’t like going to my peer led support group… No structure and didn’t fit in. #otalk |
| morriskot |
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@GillyGorry #otalk i agree! |
| billwongot |
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RT @Symbolic_Life: @morrisKOT @kirstyes @GillyGorry it goes far to say should we be using the term independence in some of our OT. Definiti… |
| billwongot |
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RT @AlresfordBear: @GillyGorry @JenicaRabaya If the choice is purely of the individual. How does that consider structural inequalities, suc… |
| patriciaregan |
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Fostering natural community supports can be a positive and mutually rewarding experience for people with I.D. and others #otalk |
| allisulliotprof |
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@GillyGorry @JenicaRabaya @kirstyes Clubhouse International supports people with mental illness http://t.co/qaf3M6lc76 #otalk |
| jenicarabaya |
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@AlresfordBear @GillyGorry Again its all about the budget and county’s resource. This is sometimes beyond the therapists control. #otalk |
| ce_jolley |
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RT @GillyGorry: @Symbolic_Life I ask people about their social contacts, networks activities, we can plan goals linked to this. signpost to… |
| gillygorry |
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@OT_rach @JenicaRabaya @AlresfordBear people often needs to build a trusting relationship before they consider help #otalk |
| jenicarabaya |
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RT @AllisulliOTProf: @GillyGorry @JenicaRabaya @kirstyes Clubhouse International supports people with mental illness http://t.co/qaf3M6lc7… |
| billwongot |
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@AlresfordBear @GillyGorry @JenicaRabaya and another question is- once individuals hit 18, do we let them make such decisions always? #otalk |
| smiffybrian |
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@AlresfordBear @GillyGorry @JenicaRabaya good point: what influences/ constrains ‘individual’ choice? #otalk |
| kirstyes |
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RT @Helen_OTUK: I found this with the aging population. Do not want to go to a centre ona bus. But to the pub or cafe in a taxi, acceptabl… |
| billwongot |
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RT @AllisulliOTProf: @GillyGorry @JenicaRabaya @kirstyes Clubhouse International supports people with mental illness http://t.co/qaf3M6lc7… |
| kirstyes |
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RT @OT_rach: @Helen_OTUK and normal!! #otalk |
| kirstyes |
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RT @Helen_OTUK: @OT_rach Yes. More fit with previous roles and experiences. #OTalk |
| ot_rach |
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@Helen_OTUK so true, my gran does not like to mix with in her words ‘the old people’ (she’s 95) more comfortable watching telly #OTalk |
| kirstyes |
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@Helen_OTUK @OT_rach more pub visits vital ;0) #otalk |
| billwongot |
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@JenicaRabaya @AlresfordBear @GillyGorry same is true even with private institutions. #otalk |
| billwongot |
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RT @GillyGorry: @OT_rach @JenicaRabaya @AlresfordBear people often needs to build a trusting relationship before they consider help #otalk |
| alresfordbear |
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@JenicaRabaya @GillyGorry And there lies the burden of responsibility for the marginalised individual 🙂 #OTalk |
| ot_rach |
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RT @kirstyes: @Helen_OTUK @OT_rach more pub visits vital ;0) #otalk |
| billwongot |
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@GillyGorry @OT_rach @JenicaRabaya @AlresfordBear as a fellow support group user- not easy sometimes! #otalk |
| jenicarabaya |
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@GillyGorry @OT_rach @AlresfordBear It is important that therapists build a rapport preferably in the moment of initial contact. #otalk |
| alresfordbear |
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@GillyGorry @OT_rach @JenicaRabaya Most certainly, but time limited interventions based on risk don’t fully create this #OTalk |
| billwongot |
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RT @smiffybrian: @AlresfordBear @GillyGorry @JenicaRabaya good point: what influences/ constrains ‘individual’ choice? #otalk |
| francescaabrown |
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@sewphiet gd point. It must be hard to enter in to a new group- could seem “cliquey” for newcomers. #otalk |
| gillygorry |
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@AlresfordBear @JenicaRabaya how can you deal with and issues which doesn’t exist 4the individual or that they choose not to change? #otalk |
| kirstyes |
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RT @AllisulliOTProf: @GillyGorry @JenicaRabaya @kirstyes Clubhouse International supports people with mental illness http://t.co/qaf3M6lc7… |
| billwongot |
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@smiffybrian @AlresfordBear @GillyGorry @JenicaRabaya accessibilty and cost (if applicable) are a couple factors. #OTalk |
| alresfordbear |
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@smiffybrian @GillyGorry @JenicaRabaya Money 🙂 #OTalk and the ability to deconstruct existing paradigms 🙂 |
| billwongot |
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RT @JenicaRabaya: @GillyGorry @OT_rach @AlresfordBear It is important that therapists build a rapport preferably in the moment of initial c… |
| billwongot |
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RT @francescaabrown: @sewphiet gd point. It must be hard to enter in to a new group- could seem “cliquey” for newcomers. #otalk |
| dai2584 |
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Councils all over britain have cut services which reduce loneliness and social isolation because they not satutory services #otalk |
| alresfordbear |
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@GillyGorry @JenicaRabaya Depends if they don’t want them to change. 🙂 #OTalk |
| deblants |
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What solutions can we provide for social isolation? #OTalk |
| sewphiet |
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@francescaabrown yes, and thise people who are isolated often lack confidence socially #otalk |
| gillygorry |
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@Symbolic_Life @kirstyes if they have family or pay private its available. but for most is FACS criteria and needs lead #otalk |
| billwongot |
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@DebLants @sewphiet I think first thing is you have to be understand why first. #otalk |
| ot_rach |
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@Helen_OTUK this is what she did at home before care home, doesn’t need or want to join in with ‘old people’ #otalk http://t.co/D4MuTVKsBm |
| smiffybrian |
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@AlresfordBear @GillyGorry @JenicaRabaya how do we take people with us in this process/action? #otalk |
| billwongot |
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@DebLants @sewphiet for me, I can be a positive example why ppl need to get out of isolation sometimes. #otalk |
| gillygorry |
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@Symbolic_Life @kirstyes If I can evidence someone is independent then I cant recommend care. can refer 2outreachcommunity services #otalk |
| ot_rach |
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RT @BillWongOT: @DebLants @sewphiet I think first thing is you have to be understand why first. #otalk |
| sewphiet |
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@DebLants @BillWongOT I think discussing how to start conversations and making introductions can be helpful #otalk |
| gillygorry |
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@morrisKOT @Symbolic_Life @kirstyes no they dont. but how does that sit in a stretch social care system..#otalk |
| jenicarabaya |
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@smiffybrian @AlresfordBear @GillyGorry 2 but need to consider person’s capacity when considering individual’a choice #otalk |
| billwongot |
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@PatriciaRegan @smiffybrian @AlresfordBear @GillyGorry @JenicaRabaya yes… That can be a big turnoff with autistics sometimes. #otalk |
| francescaabrown |
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@Dai2584 this seems so short sighted. We know both can lead to deterioration of QOL, ill well-being, admission to acute services etc #otalk |
| healthorder |
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RT @Helen_OTUK: I found this with the aging population. Do not want to go to a centre ona bus. But to the pub or cafe in a taxi, acceptabl… |
| billwongot |
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RT @sewphiet: @DebLants @BillWongOT I think discussing how to start conversations and making introductions can be helpful #otalk |
| helen_otuk |
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@Dai2584 yes this was one of the drives when we looked at alternatives. The groups were in cafes and pubs, taxi transport etc. #OTalk |
| billwongot |
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@sewphiet @DebLants or some ice breakers are good too. Like a ball with different questions written on it. #otalk |
| allisulliotprof |
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RT @GillyGorry: This is the charity set up by the company i work for its a befriending/ friend matching service #otalk http://t.co/F1bLmiKO… |
| ot_rach |
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@GillyGorry @Symbolic_Life @kirstyes wham using FACS important, to think about what life would be like without any exiting support #otalk |
| smiffybrian |
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@JenicaRabaya @AlresfordBear @GillyGorry ?within context of Mental Capacity Act #OTalk |
| symbolic_life |
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@GillyGorry @morrisKOT @kirstyes Exactly our system maybe causing the social exclusion and what comes with it? #OTalk |
| billwongot |
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@sewphiet @DebLants yes- that was something I struggle with in OT for quite some time. #otalk |
| dai2584 |
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@Helen_OTUK #otalk no one should ever ever say OTs shouldnt be aware of the political aspects of occupation. |
| billwongot |
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RT @Symbolic_Life: @GillyGorry @morrisKOT @kirstyes Exactly our system maybe causing the social exclusion and what comes with it? #OTalk |
| billwongot |
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RT @OT_rach: @GillyGorry @Symbolic_Life @kirstyes wham using FACS important, to think about what life would be like without any exiting sup… |
| billwongot |
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RT @Helen_OTUK: @Dai2584 yes this was one of the drives when we looked at alternatives. The groups were in cafes and pubs, taxi transport e… |
| ot_rach |
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RT @Dai2584: @Helen_OTUK #otalk no one should ever ever say OTs shouldnt be aware of the political aspects of occupation. |
| billwongot |
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RT @Dai2584: @Helen_OTUK #otalk no one should ever ever say OTs shouldnt be aware of the political aspects of occupation. |
| helen_otuk |
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@Dai2584 agreed, has huge impact on the work we do. #OTalk |
| dai2584 |
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@francescaabrown #otalk its hard to balance a budget and carry out services when u have to save millions of pounds. Non sat services go 1st |
| gillygorry |
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This has been a really active chat, this is obviously a hot topic. Any final thoughts? #otalk |
| dai2584 |
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“@DebLants: @Dai2584 @Helen_OTUK we need to be aware of everything that affects our work and how we implement it” #otalk |
| kirstyes |
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RT @Dai2584: Councils all over britain have cut services which reduce loneliness and social isolation because they not satutory services #o… |
| kirstyes |
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RT @Dai2584: @Helen_OTUK #otalk no one should ever ever say OTs shouldnt be aware of the political aspects of occupation. |
| billwongot |
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RT @Dai2584: “@DebLants: @Dai2584 @Helen_OTUK we need to be aware of everything that affects our work and how we implement it” #otalk |
| kirstyes |
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“@smiffybrian: @Dai2584 @Helen_OTUK yes, definitely. Occupational injustice increasingly an issue for people #ottalk” #otalk |
| gillygorry |
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#OTalk I grabbed a few of your tweets to visualise this discussion http://t.co/g2c7qxxZIi |
| helen_otuk |
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@Dai2584 @francescaabrown agreed, but they set them up as easy option, then cut them to save money. Alternative required. #OTalk |
| smiffybrian |
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@Dai2584 @DebLants @Helen_OTUK and the lives of the people we work with#otalk |
| gillygorry |
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RT @Symbolic_Life: @GillyGorry @morrisKOT @kirstyes Exactly our system maybe causing the social exclusion and what comes with it? #OTalk |
| billwongot |
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RT @GillyGorry: #OTalk I grabbed a few of your tweets to visualise this discussion http://t.co/g2c7qxxZIi |
| francescaabrown |
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RT @GillyGorry: #OTalk I grabbed a few of your tweets to visualise this discussion http://t.co/g2c7qxxZIi |
| symbolic_life |
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RT @GillyGorry: #OTalk I grabbed a few of your tweets to visualise this discussion http://t.co/g2c7qxxZIi |
| gillygorry |
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@smiffybrian @JenicaRabaya @AlresfordBear of course I believe Jenica mention capacity. if not then best interests considered #otalk |
| kirstyes |
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.@GillyGorry use occupation to engage people, find out what they like doing and help them do it with others where poss/appropriate #otalk |
| smiffybrian |
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@GillyGorry that’s good. Well done#otalk |
| kirstyes |
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RT @GillyGorry: #OTalk I grabbed a few of your tweets to visualise this discussion http://t.co/g2c7qxxZIi |
| billwongot |
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RT @kirstyes: .@GillyGorry use occupation to engage people, find out what they like doing and help them do it with others where poss/approp… |
| dai2584 |
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@Helen_OTUK @francescaabrown #otalk need to look at communty run services co-ops etc. Need to become experts at social/communityorganisation |
| helen_otuk |
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@smiffybrian @Dai2584 @DebLants and our own lives. We are part of the community and societies that this impacts. Not just our work. #OTalk |
| gillygorry |
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@OT_rach @Symbolic_Life @kirstyes I’m not a FACS Fan. in and ideal world we wouldn’t have to use such systems #otalk |
| billwongot |
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@kirstyes @GillyGorry yes… And sometimes even if it seems not age appropriate. Such cases will just require moderation. #otalk |
| billwongot |
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RT @Dai2584: @Helen_OTUK @francescaabrown #otalk need to look at communty run services co-ops etc. Need to become experts at social/communi… |
| billwongot |
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RT @Helen_OTUK: @smiffybrian @Dai2584 @DebLants and our own lives. We are part of the community and societies that this impacts. Not just o… |
| patriciaregan |
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@GillyGorry Supported community based activities can be very enriching to individuals, natural supports and friendships #otalk |
| francescaabrown |
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RT @Dai2584: @Helen_OTUK @francescaabrown #otalk need to look at communty run services co-ops etc. Need to become experts at social/communi… |
| billwongot |
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RT @PatriciaRegan: @GillyGorry Supported community based activities can be very enriching to individuals, natural supports and friendships … |
| smiffybrian |
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@Helen_OTUK @Dai2584 @DebLants definitely engage with it all in the round us, people we work with, the wider community & society #otalk |
| helen_otuk |
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Thanks @GillyGorry, great topic. #OTalk |
| symbolic_life |
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Thanks guys I’ve learnt loads! Time for breakfast!! #NZ #OTalk |
| patriciaregan |
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RT @kirstyes: .@GillyGorry use occupation to engage people, find out what they like doing and help them do it with others where poss/approp… |
| gillygorry |
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Wow that went fast! Thanks for the lively discussion. this community always amazing me and helps me feel socially connected #OTalk |
| smiffybrian |
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@GillyGorry well done, Gilly. Great session and City beating United 2:0. All good #otalk |
| patriciaregan |
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RT @GillyGorry: #OTalk I grabbed a few of your tweets to visualise this discussion http://t.co/g2c7qxxZIi |
| patriciaregan |
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@GillyGorry Brilliant! #otalk |
| trina0592 |
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Gutted I missed the #OTalk due to work |
| helen_otuk |
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Next week, journal club with @merrolee Are we self directed learners? http://t.co/E3KsyOdS9x #OTalk |
| trina0592 |
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Not sure if anyone mentioned #silverline who were sported as a 24hr telephone service for older people on #SR14 this year #OTalk |
| helen_otuk |
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Keep adding thoughts and resources. Will get included in transcript. #OTalk |
| ce_jolley |
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RT @GillyGorry: #OTalk I grabbed a few of your tweets to visualise this discussion http://t.co/g2c7qxxZIi |
| helen_otuk |
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@trina0592 it was, do add thoughts. Transcript not finalised for 24 hrs. #OTalk |
| helen_otuk |
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Must dash, ‘other duties’ call. #OTalk |
| ce_jolley |
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RT @Helen_OTUK: Next week, journal club with @merrolee Are we self directed learners? http://t.co/E3KsyOdS9x #OTalk |
| janerahpl |
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RT @OT_rach: @GillyGorry thinking back to being a carer, I felt lonely + socially isolated, as was away from friends and family -caring 4 m… |
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