Grabchat – ‘Working Creatively with Risk’ – #OTalk 30th April 2013.

This week was a great chat with lots of thoughts and discussion about ‘Risk’. This discussion explored our risk cultures and delved into what was good practice. The introduction with some ideas to start the flow of thinking can be found here: http://otalkocchats.wordpress.com/2013/04/28/working-creatively-with-risk-otalk-30th-april-2013/

As a follow up we have reserved 23rd July 2013 to share our experiences from practice on how we utilise risk to engage with those we work with. We would also like to explore how we can support each other to embrace risk enablement. If you have a case study you would like to share please get in touch @Helen_OTUK.

Some points to ponder as you draft a case study…

I feel this tweet aids in highlighting the need to be aware of what is driving your risk culture.

Are you risk managing or risk enabling?

A good question to consider

Also do we have a culture within a culture?

https://twitter.com/CommuneOT/status/329313037003669505

I think that is enough to think about for now, but please add any comments or thoughts you have we look forward to exploring further in July.

Here is the full chat from @grabchat

Involved …

@Helen_otuk @BillWongOT @OTalk_Occhat @kirstyes @charl885 @uk_james @clissa89 @CommuneOT @Nnikki_Duffy @Keeper85 @BarbaraKornblau @tizztaztic @beingyourdoing @PatriciaRegan @DoBeDoBeDo14 @MariWardahp @Symbolic_Life @SenKidsCharity @Georgia_Fair @claireOT

Top resources …

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@clissa89 Who’s #OTalk -ing in 30 minutes? Topic: Working Creatively with #Risk . http://t.co/47HqdeNvcZ #occupationaltherapy #OTuesday (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 19:32:29 +0100)
@Georgia_Fair @Gedski1 Hi, #OTalk at 8pm today is about creative approaches to managing risk, thought you might be interested.(Tue, 30 Apr 2013 19:32:54 +0100)
@clissa89 @gcarinlevy @georgia_fair thanks for the RT/promotion 🙂 #OTalk (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 19:35:04 +0100)
@clissa89 @pd2ot @claireOT @BAOTCOT @tlap1 @uk_james @DoBeDoBeDo14 thanks for the RTs/promotion of tonight’s chat 🙂 #OTalk (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 19:36:30 +0100)
@uk_james RT @BAOTCOT : It’s an #OTalk week – follow the hashtag from 8pm for a tweetchat on working creatively with risk @OTalk_Occhat http://t.co/C8X4Jq16nv (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 19:43:14 +0100)
@BillWongOT RT @OTalk_Occhat : Hope you can join us for #OTalk this evening at 8pm (UK) discussing – Working Creatively with Risk. http://t.co/n9OuC8XfjN “(Tue, 30 Apr 2013 19:45:08 +0100)
@BillWongOT @clissa89 I will be… although I will be also listening to a webminar I learned just now, too. #otalk (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 19:45:38 +0100)
@Nnikki_Duffy Cake check, hot chocolate check, warm toasty blanket check. I’m all ready for #OTalk tonight :)(Tue, 30 Apr 2013 19:45:41 +0100)
@clissa89 #OTalk in 15 min. Enough time to make a drink and have a read of this guide to tweetchatting if it’s your first time: http://t.co/BWjnjCh15f (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 19:46:59 +0100)
@OTalk_Occhat MT @clissa89 : #OTalk in 15 min. Enough time to read this guide to tweetchatting if its your first time: http://t.co/HAJst6Q1x6 #OTalk (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 19:47:51 +0100)
@uk_james RT @clissa89 : #OTalk in 15 min. Enough time to make a drink and have a read of this guide to tweetchatting if it’s your first time: http://t.co/BWjnjCh15f (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 19:48:20 +0100)
@clissa89 @Nnikki_Duffy that sounds lovely! I feel like I’ve made a poor effort with my onesie, herbal tea and cereal bar. 😉 #OTalk (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 19:48:41 +0100)
@OTalk_Occhat @BillWongOT that sounds like some complicated multi-tasking! Glad you can join us 🙂 #OTalk (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 19:49:13 +0100)
@Helen_otuk Good evening all #OTalk (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 19:51:45 +0100)
@charl885 @OTalk_Occhat @clissa89 might be more dipping in and out of #OTalk tonight rather than fully taking part. Hope that’s ok!(Tue, 30 Apr 2013 19:53:37 +0100)
@clissa89 @charl885 @OTalk_Occhat of course that’s okay! 🙂 glad to have you here – with as much or as little involvement as you can manage 🙂 #OTalk (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 19:54:50 +0100)
@Helen_otuk @charl885 of course, hope you get something from it too. #OTalk (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 19:55:07 +0100)
@OTalk_Occhat Hi everyone! @clissa89 here on the @OTalk_Occhat account tonight. Tweet me if you need help, & say hi (even if you’re lurking) 🙂 #OTalk (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 19:56:36 +0100)
@Helen_otuk Hi to @clissa89 on the @OTalk_Occhat account. Thanks for supporting this evening #OTalk .(Tue, 30 Apr 2013 19:58:56 +0100)
@uk_james @OTalk_Occhat hi @clissa89 looking forward to tonight’s #OTalk on risk(Tue, 30 Apr 2013 19:58:58 +0100)
@clissa89 @uk_james @OTalk_Occhat hi there, glad to have you with us tonight 🙂 #OTalk (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 19:59:50 +0100)
@Helen_otuk Good evening all welcome to this evenings chat about Working Creatively with Risk. #OTalk (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:01:22 +0100)
@OTalk_Occhat @BespokeRelax hi there, glad to have you with us tonight. Have you participated in #OTalk before? #OTalk (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:01:56 +0100)
@OTalk_Occhat A reminder: professional standards apply online too, and here are @The_HCPC guidelines for social media use: http://t.co/o7oyVcSzIt #OTalk (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:02:00 +0100)
@uk_james @Helen_otuk hi Helen, good to be here #OTalk (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:02:12 +0100)
@OTalk_Occhat Apologies in advance if I miss any tweets without the hashtag – I’m on Tweetchat as Tweetdeck no longer supported by my mac 😦 #OTalk (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:02:42 +0100)
@Helen_otuk Please be mindful of confidentiality etc, but hope we can explore some interesting aspects of risk and how we are creative. #OTalk (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:02:45 +0100)
@Helen_otuk @uk_james Hi james, good to have you here. I am sure you have some interesting points to add. #OTalk (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:03:09 +0100)
@Helen_otuk Ok for starters, although I do not wish to dwell on ‘structures’ important to consider. T1 Do we have good risk management cultures? #OTalk (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:04:28 +0100)
@OTalk_Occhat @BespokeRelax yay! can be tricky to keep up on mobile, but try to concentrate on one conversation – you can catch up with transcript #OTalk (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:04:37 +0100)
@kirstyes RT @Georgia_Fair : @clissa89 Hi! I’ll miss tonights #OTalk but here’s a link to the human rights based risk screen I use http://t.co/Is6eEDz6Wb (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:04:52 +0100)
@OTalk_Occhat MT @Helen_otuk : although I do not wish to dwell on structures important to consider. T1 Do we have good risk management cultures? #OTalk (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:06:08 +0100)
@OTalk_Occhat @Helen_otuk how would you define a “good” risk management culture? #OTalk (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:07:03 +0100)
@Helen_otuk @OTalk_Occhat Good question? I was hoping to get the discussion going to find what people think? #OTalk (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:08:28 +0100)
@BillWongOT @OTalk_Occhat @Helen_otuk I would say there is a mutual buy in between clients and caregivers. #otalk (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:09:02 +0100)
@uk_james . @OTalk_Occhat @helen_otuk I suppose the question could be “what” is a good risk management culture? Think includes positive risk #OTalk (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:09:32 +0100)
@clissa89 @helen_otuk risk assessment/management is a significant part of my team’s day-to-day work. we are very aware of positive risk taking #OTalk (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:09:59 +0100)
@Nnikki_Duffy @Helen_otuk I think we are culturally very risk aware however struggle occasionally with positive risk taking #OTalk (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:10:09 +0100)
@OTalk_Occhat @BillWongOT I’m not sure I understand what you mean Bill. Could you elaborate? #OTalk (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:10:28 +0100)
@Helen_otuk Agree RT @Nnikki_Duffy : I think we are culturally very risk aware however struggle occasionally with positive risk taking #OTalk (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:10:58 +0100)
@BillWongOT @clissa89 @Helen_otuk and as a client of MH services, positive risk taking is also emphasized. #otalk (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:11:26 +0100)
@BarbaraKornblau I think it is important for people to b properly trained in what they R doing & know when they are not & refer to someone else #Otalk (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:12:02 +0100)
@OTalk_Occhat Definitely a theme here around positive risk taking. What does this look like? What are the barriers? #OTalk (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:12:13 +0100)
@BillWongOT @OTalk_Occhat I know my mom is very risk adverse. I am a person who tolerates more risk at times (but calculated) than her 1/2 #otalk (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:12:29 +0100)
@BillWongOT @OTalk_Occhat sometimes that can b upsetting when my mom feels that I take on too much risk in instances I feel they are “just right” #otalk (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:12:59 +0100)
@OTalk_Occhat @BarbaraKornblau hi Barbara, good to have you here. That’s a really important point re competence #OTalk (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:13:14 +0100)
@OTalk_Occhat @BillWongOT ooh good point. as individuals we have different risk tolerance/thresholds – important to be aware of this #OTalk (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:13:49 +0100)
@kirstyes Sorry having techie issues following hashtag today. Going to switch to computer and hope to join in soon. #OTalk (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:13:57 +0100)
@uk_james . @OTalk_Occhat @KentSocialCare has a positive risk management policy to support practice https://t.co/VP3k9Pu9r6 #OTalk #personalisation (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:14:03 +0100)
@BillWongOT @BespokeRelax @Nnikki_Duffy I agree and I like that as a service user. #otalk (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:14:24 +0100)
@Helen_otuk @BespokeRelax Why do you think that is? Why are OT’s more positive about risk than others? (Has not always been my experience) #OTalk (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:14:25 +0100)
@Helen_otuk @kirstyes Hope you can join us soon. #OTalk (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:14:44 +0100)
@CommuneOT Hi all #OTalk different cultures have different tolerance to risk too #OTalk (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:15:21 +0100)
@Helen_otuk @uk_james Yes James, that was going to be my next thread, T2 Do we have supportive risk management cultures? #OTalk (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:15:40 +0100)
@BillWongOT @OTalk_Occhat yes… as OT’s we sometimes have to educate one party or the other about these differences and live with them. #otalk (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:15:50 +0100)
@BillWongOT @OTalk_Occhat if not, that can sometimes hinder the clients’ abilities to engage in occupations. #otalk (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:16:09 +0100)
@OTalk_Occhat @CommuneOT oh yes! so not just individual differences, but also cultural influences on how we perceive risk? #OTalk (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:16:15 +0100)
@uk_james . @Helen_otuk @bespokerelax maybe not just OT specific issue, but are community based staff less risk averse than acute hosp? #OTalk (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:16:21 +0100)
@BarbaraKornblau People who don’t know their limits are taking risks at the patient’s expense #Otalk (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:16:23 +0100)
@BillWongOT RT @BarbaraKornblau : People who don’t know their limits are taking risks at the patient’s expense #Otalk (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:17:14 +0100)
@CommuneOT Have taken greater risks here in France with clients than in the Uk because expectations are so different #OTalk (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:17:24 +0100)
@Helen_otuk @uk_james you could be into something there… something about our environments? #OTalk (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:17:28 +0100)
@Nnikki_Duffy @Helen_otuk @bespokerelax OTs understand that Everyday life involves an element of risk, our positive risk ax is grading & adapting #OTalk (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:18:11 +0100)
@OTalk_Occhat @CommuneOT that’s really interesting. can you give an example? #OTalk (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:18:19 +0100)
@Helen_otuk @BespokeRelax Yes, how do you support individuals and your teams to move this agenda forward? #OTalk (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:18:23 +0100)
@uk_james . @Helen_otuk yes, cultural I think – environments, managers, policy and procedure, usual practice #OTalk (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:18:56 +0100)
@BillWongOT @CommuneOT I personally feel that I took on more risks in #OT than my previous years combined. #otalk (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:18:57 +0100)
@Helen_otuk RT @uk_james : . @Helen_otuk yes, cultural I think – environments, managers, policy and procedure, usual practice #OTalk (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:19:37 +0100)
@charl885 @Helen_otuk @BespokeRelax not in mine either – have seen OTs try to eliminate all risk through fear of repercussions #OTalk (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:20:11 +0100)
@BillWongOT @Nnikki_Duffy @Helen_otuk @BespokeRelax yup! That’s what sometimes those around us who don’t know too much about OT don’t realize. #otalk (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:20:18 +0100)
@uk_james . @BespokeRelax bit like stories I hear about over-assessing mobility in hosp where in reality on return home person would manage #OTalk (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:20:40 +0100)
@Helen_otuk @charl885 Yes Charlotte that ‘fear’ word was something I wanted to explore too… do we have a ‘fear’ culture? #OTalk (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:21:27 +0100)
@BillWongOT @charl885 @Helen_otuk @BespokeRelax if my mom were an OT, I can easily see her be that type of OT. #otalk (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:21:47 +0100)
@BillWongOT @charl885 @Helen_otuk @BespokeRelax but you are right in that I think each of us do have some degree of “fear” with our clients. #otalk (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:22:20 +0100)
@charl885 @OTalk_Occhat @CommuneOT cultural – heard several times during training that Scandinavia have much higher +ve risk #OTalk (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:22:23 +0100)
@Helen_otuk @charl885 I think it depends where you work… the culture of the environment and the policies that the employer have adopted? #otalk (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:23:29 +0100)
@BarbaraKornblau I think competence is the most important means of prevention of risk. Remembering the details & making them subcortical in practice #Otalk (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:23:29 +0100)
@uk_james . @charl885 @Helen_otuk @BespokeRelax risk is usually impossible to eliminate. Where is personal choice in all this? #OTalk (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:23:39 +0100)
@OTalk_Occhat @charl885 @CommuneOT that’s interesting! (as a Scandinavian, I’m curious to explore that more) #OTalk (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:23:56 +0100)
@OTalk_Occhat @uk_james @charl885 @helen_otuk @BespokeRelax life is risky! #OTalk (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:24:20 +0100)
@Helen_otuk @uk_james yes James very important point. #OTalk (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:24:22 +0100)
@BillWongOT @OTalk_Occhat @CommuneOT true… my mom’s side of the family are very risk adverse. That has impacted me in some way in #OT . #otalk (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:24:42 +0100)
@kirstyes RT @uk_james : . @OTalk_Occhat @KentSocialCare has a positive risk management policy to support practice https://t.co/VP3k9Pu9r6 #OTalk #personalisation (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:24:58 +0100)
@Helen_otuk #OTalk RT @HarryStarkPhD : I see Risk Management Culture today = to Fear Based Decisions. Hard to work as psychologist based on fear #psych (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:25:12 +0100)
@CommuneOT @OTalk_Occhat meaningful activities with rural folk involve risk-Ive built bonfires,cracked walnuts with rocks, horse+cart trips etc #OTalk (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:26:03 +0100)
@BillWongOT @BespokeRelax @Helen_otuk absolutely. I’ll name an ex. I mentioned to my #OT that I was planning to do an OT conf presentation 1/2 #otalk (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:26:58 +0100)
@uk_james . @BespokeRelax @helen_otuk and if motivated to make something work, could be better than avoiding eg an activity #OTalk (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:26:58 +0100)
@charl885 @BillWongOT @Helen_otuk @BespokeRelax think the ‘fear’ could make OTs and PTs overcautious 1/2 #otalk (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:27:03 +0100)
@kirstyes @uk_james @BespokeRelax I wonder how much this comes with experience. I know when I worked in in-pt as first job I assumed more risk #otalk (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:27:05 +0100)
@Helen_otuk #OTalk who uses a the sensible risk management principles? As directed by the HSE (UK).(Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:27:21 +0100)
@kirstyes @uk_james @BespokeRelax #otalk than there really was. It was working in community that made me see risk in a different light.(Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:27:41 +0100)
@BillWongOT @BespokeRelax @Helen_otuk The risk was- I may look stupid if I failed. But the benefit was that it will bring satisfaction. #otalk 2/2(Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:27:58 +0100)
@charl885 @BillWongOT @Helen_otuk @BespokeRelax physical OTs could overprescribe equipment.could lead to longer hospital stays? #otalk (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:28:25 +0100)
@OTalk_Occhat @kirstyes @BespokeRelax good point – my more experienced colleagues take more +ve risks (but less experienced – potentially unaware?) #OTalk (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:28:31 +0100)
@kirstyes #otalk – UK seems to be really risk adverse, e.g. risk assessments for flying abroad, concern about potential under-reporting(Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:29:36 +0100)
@BarbaraKornblau I think less experienced fall in the category of not necessarily knowing what they don’t know & take more risks
#Otalk (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:29:41 +0100)
@charl885 @OTalk_Occhat @CommuneOT yes I believe their rehab methods have higher risk than ours.can’t find any evidence off hand! #OTalk (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:29:54 +0100)
@BillWongOT @charl885 @Helen_otuk @BespokeRelax to some degree though, overcautious is better than facing the consequences. #otalk (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:29:56 +0100)
@OTalk_Occhat @BespokeRelax @uk_James think I’m more confident in taking +ve risk when I know the person (& how they perceive risk too) #OTalk (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:30:13 +0100)
@BillWongOT @charl885 @Helen_otuk @BespokeRelax if not sure, I think it’s best to ask for 2nd and 3rd opinions. #otalk (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:30:14 +0100)
@Helen_otuk #OTalk 1/5 Sensible risk management is about: Ensuring that workers and the public are properly protected(Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:30:18 +0100)
@Helen_otuk #OTalk 2/5 Providing overall benefit to society by balancing benefits and risks, with a focus on reducing real risks(Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:31:19 +0100)
@uk_james @BespokeRelax @uk_james I guess the big Q is Whose risk is it? Profs role should be to support informed decision making #OTalk (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:31:29 +0100)
@BillWongOT @charl885 @Helen_otuk @BespokeRelax or sometimes you grade the interventions slower, which can also lead to longer stay. #otalk (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:31:51 +0100)
@BillWongOT RT @Helen_otuk : #OTalk 1/5 Sensible risk management is about: Ensuring that workers and the public are properly protected(Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:32:25 +0100)
@BillWongOT RT @Helen_otuk : #OTalk 2/5 Providing overall benefit to society by balancing benefits and risks, with a focus on reducing real risks(Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:32:30 +0100)
@kirstyes @OTalk_Occhat @BespokeRelax Yes it’s all a process – comes with advancing clinical reasoning etc. #otalk (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:32:55 +0100)
@Helen_otuk #OTalk 3/5 Ensuring that those who create risks manage them responsibly and understand the consequences of failure to manage real risks(Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:33:03 +0100)
@kirstyes @Helen_otuk @uk_james @BespokeRelax Yes, very possibly. #otalk – Concern about making the wrong decision.(Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:33:30 +0100)
@Helen_otuk #OTalk 4/5 Enabling innovation and learning not stifling them(Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:33:52 +0100)
@Helen_otuk #OTalk 5/5 Enabling individuals to understand that as well as the right to protection, they also have to exercise responsibility(Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:34:30 +0100)
@Nnikki_Duffy @uk_james 4 those with mental health conditions/dementia it is increasingly difficult for them to b allowed to make risky choices #OTalk (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:34:54 +0100)
@claireOT *waves* at #otalk community- not staying for the chat but look fwd to reading the tag later. Positive risk management all the way, I see!(Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:35:13 +0100)
@OTalk_Occhat @claireOT thanks for popping in 🙂 #OTalk (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:35:46 +0100)
@charl885 @BillWongOT @Helen_otuk @BespokeRelax yes but may have cost implications – fine balance it seems! #otalk (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:35:46 +0100)
@OTalk_Occhat @Nnikki_Duffy @uk_james what do you think this is about? #OTalk (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:36:02 +0100)
@BillWongOT @BespokeRelax and that can let our clients and/or their caregivers know that whether their concerns are justified. #otalk (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:36:34 +0100)
@OTalk_Occhat @BespokeRelax thanks for joining us, I’ve enjoyed your contributions! 🙂 hope to see you at another chat again soon #OTalk (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:37:06 +0100)
@BillWongOT @charl885 @Helen_otuk @BespokeRelax I guess it’s the risk of running the cost up versus potential consequences w/ our licenses. #otalk (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:37:50 +0100)
@kirstyes Do people think we involve clients enough in risk assessment? Surely seeing how them problem solve solutions is a good assessment #otalk (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:38:46 +0100)
@charl885 @uk_james @Helen_otuk @BespokeRelax agreed. Through attempting to eliminate risk we could lose client centred practice #OTalk (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:39:01 +0100)
@tizztaztic #OTalk risked need to managed and reviewed regularly(Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:39:04 +0100)
@Helen_otuk #OTalk T3 ok, so we have looked at principles and culture what about clients / services users / patients? Who decides?(Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:39:10 +0100)
@uk_james @OTalk_Occhat @Nnikki_Duffy use positive risk management, consider mental capacity, look for ways to support choices, contingencies #OTalk (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:39:48 +0100)
@Nnikki_Duffy @CommuneOT @otalk_occhat I want u to b my OT lol #OTalk (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:39:54 +0100)
@Helen_otuk @kirstyes think we were thinking the same at the same time there? #OTalk (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:39:55 +0100)
@OTalk_Occhat @kirstyes involving the person is so important! Often my patients will tell me if they feel safe/not to do something and why #OTalk (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:40:10 +0100)
@BillWongOT @kirstyes as a client, I would say yes. My #OT goes over potential risks in situations that might be unfamiliar to me all the time #otalk (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:40:20 +0100)
@CommuneOT @kirstyes yes, and learn from them too #OTalk #OTalk (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:40:35 +0100)
@OTalk_Occhat @kirstyes we may perceive risks differently to our service users, & that’s a valuable consideration too #OTalk (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:40:43 +0100)
@OTalk_Occhat @tizztaztic thanks for joining us tonight. would you like to elaborate on that? #OTalk (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:41:17 +0100)
@kirstyes @CommuneOT #otalk – Very much agree – they may already have their own work arounds that we wouldn’t think of.(Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:41:22 +0100)
@kirstyes RT @OTalk_Occhat : @kirstyes we may perceive risks differently to our service users, & that’s a valuable consideration too #OTalk (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:41:30 +0100)
@charl885 @BillWongOT @Helen_otuk @BespokeRelax should we be looking more to therapeutic use of self so clients can find risk level 1/2 #otalk (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:41:42 +0100)
@charl885 @BillWongOT @Helen_otuk @BespokeRelax that they’re comfortable with? As it is so individual 2/2 #otalk (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:42:12 +0100)
@tizztaztic #OTalk risks should be managed and reviewed as there are so many influencing factors(Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:42:47 +0100)
@Helen_otuk RT @charl885 : @uk_james @Helen_otuk @BespokeRelax agreed. Through attempting to eliminate risk we could lose client centred practice #OTalk (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:42:56 +0100)
@DoBeDoBeDo14 Sorry I’m late #Otalk – just been at a seminar. Ready with a cup of tea now!(Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:42:57 +0100)
@BillWongOT @charl885 @Helen_otuk @BespokeRelax I think it’s a mutual thing. Sometimes our clients may take too much risks. #otalk (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:43:05 +0100)
@Helen_otuk RT @kirstyes : @CommuneOT #otalk – Very much agree – they may already have their own work arounds that we wouldn’t think of.(Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:43:43 +0100)
@OTalk_Occhat @DoBeDoBeDo14 better late than never! 😉 glad you made it. we’re currently talking about service user involvement in risk ax/mgmt #OTalk (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:43:59 +0100)
@CommuneOT @kirstyes and a creative approach always involves (calculated) risk #OTalk (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:44:17 +0100)
@BillWongOT @OTalk_Occhat @kirstyes but sometimes the caregiver, too. Last thing u want is that the client and the caregivers are not on same pg #otalk (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:44:27 +0100)
@Helen_otuk SCIE says ‘Providing real choice and control for people who use social care means enabling people to take the risks they choose’ #OTalk (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:45:14 +0100)
@BillWongOT @CommuneOT @kirstyes absolutely… that’s all we can encourage clients to do anyway. #otalk (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:45:22 +0100)
@kirstyes @BillWongOT That’s good – it is probably a balance though to not over emphasise risk over benefit. #otalk (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:45:30 +0100)
@charl885 @BillWongOT @Helen_otuk @BespokeRelax so you believe it should be more collaborative? #otalk (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:46:10 +0100)
@DoBeDoBeDo14 Pretty new to ot (still a student) but agree with @kirstyes that it’s important to involve service user. #otalk (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:46:26 +0100)
@kirstyes @charl885 @BillWongOT @Helen_otuk @BespokeRelax I would say yes. This takes time too and we must justify this use of time. #otalk (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:46:27 +0100)
@BillWongOT @kirstyes that’s what I am trying to change the culture at my home… lol! #otalk (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:46:52 +0100)
@Helen_otuk SCIE – ‘With support, people using should be enabled to define their own risks and to recognise, identify and report issues. #OTalk (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:47:06 +0100)
@BillWongOT @charl885 @Helen_otuk @BespokeRelax in some instances, absolutely! #otalk (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:47:40 +0100)
@Helen_otuk #OTalk Yes collaboration all the way! @charl885 @BillWongOT @BespokeRelax (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:48:19 +0100)
@uk_james . @Helen_otuk & of course, contingencies about how to stay safe and well can be agreed & built into support plans #makingitreal #OTalk (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:48:48 +0100)
@charl885 @kirstyes @BillWongOT @Helen_otuk @BespokeRelax think the experience of the OT has a part to play – less experience = more caution? #otalk (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:49:16 +0100)
@OTalk_Occhat @BillWongOT that’s a really good point – carers often know a lot about the risks, and are there when services arent #OTalk (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:49:18 +0100)
@Helen_otuk yes RT @uk_james : & of course, contingencies about how to stay safe and well can be agreed & built into support plans #makingitreal #OTalk (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:49:28 +0100)
@CommuneOT Got to go now, children calling – great 1st chat ; ) #OTalk (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:50:58 +0100)
@Helen_otuk SCIE – Risk enablement should become a core part of placing people at the centre of their own care and support. 1/2 #OTalk (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:50:59 +0100)
@BillWongOT @OTalk_Occhat but sometimes it is like the reverse with me. #otalk (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:51:22 +0100)
@kirstyes @charl885 @BillWongOT @Helen_otuk @BespokeRelax or potentially the other way even?? #otalk – take risks because not aware of consequences(Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:51:31 +0100)
@Helen_otuk #OTalk 2/2 It cannot be a ?bolt-on? solution to traditional adult social care systems which are not person-centred.(Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:51:40 +0100)
@kirstyes RT @OTalk_Occhat : @BillWongOT that’s a really good point – carers often know a lot about the risks, and are there when services arent #OTalk (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:51:46 +0100)
@OTalk_Occhat @CommuneOT thank you for joining us! it’s been great to chat with you, and hope you can join us again soon #OTalk (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:51:55 +0100)
@kirstyes @CommuneOT Great to have you here – like the sound of your practice #otalk (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:52:13 +0100)
@uk_james . @OTalk_Occhat @BillWongOT professionals need to remember to listen carefully to #carers – can often help mitigate risk #OTalk (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:52:41 +0100)
@kirstyes RT @Helen_otuk : SCIE – Risk enablement should become a core part of placing people at the centre of their own care and support. 1/2 #OTalk (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:52:45 +0100)
@charl885 @OTalk_Occhat @BillWongOT may know the person better to know how they deal with risk @ home.what about the client-carer relationship? #OTalk (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:52:51 +0100)
@kirstyes . @Helen_otuk I like the term risk enablement #otalk (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:53:11 +0100)
@OTalk_Occhat @uk_james we’ve got an #OTalk coming up about carer engagement – I agree, it’s vital. #OTalk (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:53:34 +0100)
@uk_james RT @Helen_otuk : SCIE – Risk enablement should become a core part of placing people at the centre of their own care and support. 1/2 #OTalk (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:53:38 +0100)
@Helen_otuk Yes me too. RT @kirstyes : I like the term risk enablement #otalk (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:53:40 +0100)
@charl885 @kirstyes @BillWongOT @Helen_otuk @BespokeRelax yes – such a fine balance I think! #otalk (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:54:32 +0100)
@Helen_otuk Agree whole heartedly RT @uk_james : professionals need to remember to listen carefully to #carers – can often help mitigate risk #OTalk (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:54:37 +0100)
@kirstyes @BillWongOT @OTalk_Occhat That’s why group discussions needed so that everyone gets to share their views and people move in same dir #otalk (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:54:38 +0100)
@Helen_otuk oh my only 5 mins of ‘official’ #OTalk left, what are your take aways?(Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:55:56 +0100)
@charl885 @kirstyes @Helen_otuk me too! #otalk (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:56:00 +0100)
@kirstyes Dear #OTalk crew on #OTuesday can we show we care? http://t.co/ItgjnnBTUX (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:56:53 +0100)
@uk_james Risk is chance something may or may not happen, can have +ve or -ve consequences. Being risk averse can prevent good things happening #OTalk (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:57:17 +0100)
@tizztaztic #OTalk listening to clients and carers and discussing risks & management & gaining an understanding of their experiences(Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:58:02 +0100)
@Helen_otuk I feel we didn’t not get a chance to explore experiences…. should i schedule another #OTalk ?(Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:58:03 +0100)
@Helen_otuk RT @tizztaztic : #OTalk listening to clients and carers and discussing risks & management & gaining an understanding of their experiences(Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:58:24 +0100)
@OTalk_Occhat Thanks everyone for participating in tonight’s chat. Have you got any suggestions for future topics? Want opportunity to host? #OTalk (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:58:29 +0100)
@Helen_otuk RT @kirstyes : Dear #OTalk crew on #OTuesday can we show we care? http://t.co/ItgjnnBTUX (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:58:48 +0100)
@OTalk_Occhat Next week, we will be having an un-boring discussion about boredom. 😉 #OTuesday #occhat #OTalk (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:59:21 +0100)
@uk_james . @Helen_otuk Takeaways – must enable positive risk choices to help people get person centred care that’s right for them #OTalk #makingitreal (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:59:40 +0100)
@kirstyes @Helen_otuk Yes please – and consideration from people on how we can ‘teach’ positive risk enablement maybe? #otalk (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:59:45 +0100)
@kirstyes RT @OTalk_Occhat : Next week, we will be having an un-boring discussion about boredom. 😉 #OTuesday #occhat #OTalk (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:59:58 +0100)
@BillWongOT My take home point today is that OT’s have 2 know the risk management abilities of clients so that OT’s can know how much 2 intervene #otalk (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 21:00:13 +0100)
@charl885 @Helen_otuk risk is I inevitable,but how we manage it by working with clients is key. #OTalk (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 21:00:21 +0100)
@BillWongOT RT @OTalk_Occhat : Next week, we will be having an un-boring discussion about boredom. 😉 #OTuesday #occhat #OTalk (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 21:00:24 +0100)
@Helen_otuk RT @charl885 : @Helen_otuk risk is I inevitable,but how we manage it by working with clients is key. #OTalk (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 21:00:41 +0100)
@Nnikki_Duffy RT @OTalk_Occhat : Next week, we will be having an un-boring discussion about boredom. 😉 #OTuesday #occhat #OTalk (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 21:00:43 +0100)
@charl885 @Helen_otuk I will be going away and looking up info about Scandinavian rehab methods! #OTalk (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 21:01:34 +0100)
@Helen_otuk Thank you everyone for a great #OTalk and a big thank you to @clissa89 for your support.(Tue, 30 Apr 2013 21:01:53 +0100)
@Helen_otuk RT @charl885 : @Helen_otuk I will be going away and looking up info about Scandinavian rehab methods! #OTalk (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 21:01:59 +0100)
@OTalk_Occhat @charl885 please let me ( @clissa89 ) know what you find out 😉 🙂 #OTalk (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 21:02:18 +0100)
@charl885 @Helen_otuk yes good work @clissa89 ! Good chat #OTalk (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 21:02:25 +0100)
@OTalk_Occhat @Helen_otuk thanks Helen for all the hard work you put into preparing for tonight’s chat! #OTalk (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 21:02:34 +0100)
@Helen_otuk Let us all know! RT @OTalk_Occhat : @charl885 please let me ( @clissa89 ) know what you find out 😉 🙂 #OTalk (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 21:02:47 +0100)
@kirstyes RT @charl885 : @Helen_otuk risk is I inevitable,but how we manage it by working with clients is key. #OTalk (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 21:03:01 +0100)
@charl885 @OTalk_Occhat @clissa89 will do! #OTalk (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 21:03:17 +0100)
@Helen_otuk My pleasure, enjoyed it. RT @OTalk_Occhat : @Helen_otuk thanks Helen for all the hard work you put into preparing for tonight’s chat! #OTalk (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 21:03:54 +0100)
@Helen_otuk I will post the discussion tomorrow, so do keep adding any thoughts or resources. #OTalk . Thanks for the great resources already shared.(Tue, 30 Apr 2013 21:05:41 +0100)
@BillWongOT @kirstyes @OTalk_Occhat but in some settings, group discussion might not be feasible. Then, OT’s have to have faith w/ clients. #otalk (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 21:09:26 +0100)
@Keeper85 @charl885 @Helen_otuk once again I missed it 😦 #otalk (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 21:09:41 +0100)
@beingyourdoing #OTalk Damn, missed it. My suggestion is rebranding of risk assessment to ‘Why we should take the risk assessment’.(Tue, 30 Apr 2013 21:16:51 +0100)
@Helen_otuk @beingyourdoing Please keep adding your thoughts, I will not collate until tomorrow eve…. #OTalk (Tue, 30 Apr 2013 21:18:05 +0100)
@Keeper85 #otalk Risk is challenging, innovative, invigorating, fun, stressful, frustrating, scary, resilience building(Tue, 30 Apr 2013 21:23:33 +0100)
@BillWongOT RT @Keeper85 : #otalk Risk is challenging, innovative, invigorating, fun, stressful, frustrating, scary, resilience building(Tue, 30 Apr 2013 21:26:31 +0100)
@Helen_otuk RT @Keeper85 : #otalk Risk is challenging, innovative, invigorating, fun, stressful, frustrating, scary, resilience building(Tue, 30 Apr 2013 21:26:40 +0100)
@Keeper85 #otalk all these things are part if normal life.lets not shelter out clients from normal life experiences(Tue, 30 Apr 2013 21:27:00 +0100)
@Keeper85 #otalk we can’t be afraid of risk we just need to manage it to prevent any serious harm. if we didnt allow any risk none would ever be d/c(Tue, 30 Apr 2013 21:31:01 +0100)
@Keeper85 #otalk the medical model is all about risk management but in doing this we remove much of a persons human experience from life(Tue, 30 Apr 2013 21:31:53 +0100)
@BillWongOT RT @Keeper85 : #otalk we can’t be afraid of risk we just need to manage it to prevent any serious harm. if we didnt allow any risk none would ever be d/c(Tue, 30 Apr 2013 21:32:52 +0100)
@MariWardahp RT @Keeper85 : #otalk we can’t be afraid of risk we just need to manage it to prevent any serious harm. if we didnt allow any risk none would ever be d/c(Tue, 30 Apr 2013 22:13:06 +0100)
@MariWardahp RT @Keeper85 : #otalk the medical model is all about risk management but in doing this we remove much of a persons human experience from life(Tue, 30 Apr 2013 22:13:28 +0100)
@PatriciaRegan RT @tizztaztic : #OTalk listening to clients and carers and discussing risks & management & gaining an understanding of their experiences(Tue, 30 Apr 2013 22:26:15 +0100)
@PatriciaRegan RT @Keeper85 : #otalk Risk is challenging, innovative, invigorating, fun, stressful, frustrating, scary, resilience building(Tue, 30 Apr 2013 22:31:45 +0100)
@beingyourdoing @Helen_otuk off to run my sky diving group now #otalk (Wed, 01 May 2013 08:26:45 +0100)
@Symbolic_Life RT @Keeper85 : #otalk the medical model is all about risk management but in doing this we remove much of a persons human experience from life(Wed, 01 May 2013 09:29:26 +0100)

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